Are you still confused Rusha? :idunno:
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Are you still confused Rusha? :idunno:
In that respect ... always. Never denied it.
It was based on remaining sinless. A bad thought before death that was not repented from would send you to hell.
glorydaz
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Ah, we're playing the Hebrews game, I see. The worker bees will love this one....but it doesn't sit well with your claim, does it, Nang?
Hebrews 5:9KJV
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Then again, it goes fine with the "obedience of faith".
Romans 16:26KJV
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
glorydaz
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Gosh, what kind of Good News is that? :jawdrop:
glorydaz
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That's the problem with all those who preach law keeping. They are so busy looking at themselves (and others) that they become obsessed with sin and the flesh. It's why Paul tells us to set our affections on things above.
:idunno: On the brighter side, it is the church where I received my very first Bible from. I won it as a prize at Vacation Bible School.
musterion
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Yep. You're constantly "fruit checking" yourself* for the evidence you're regenerated. Add on top of that the commonly accepted LIE that the old nature is eradicated and a young, ignorant believer is quickly discouraged if not destroyed in the Faith when they rediscover "besetting sins" that just won't lay down and die.
*and others, sooner or later
glorydaz
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:idunno: On the brighter side, it is the church where I received my very first Bible from. I won it as a prize at Vacation Bible School.
Yeah, prizes are way cool....good attendance or reciting verses?
Gifts are even better than prizes...especially this one.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
glorydaz
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That's the very reason we have been delivered from the law. NO condemnation to those IN CHRIST JESUS means just that.
Romans 8:1-3 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:9-10
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Are we confident HE will perform what He began or not? Are we persuaded that HE is able to keep us or not? That's what belief is all about.
Philippians 1:6KJV
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
1 Tim. 1:12KJV
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
1 Tim. 1:12KJV
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
Nang
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"Hebrew game?" I have no idea what you mean by this. I simply gave you scripture that reveals faith is authored and finished by Jesus Christ . . not by us.
Belief = faith.
Belief is a gift of God's grace.
Belief comes only from God.
Belief does not issue forth from our natural hearts, but is planted in our changed hearts by the resurrection power of the Holy Spirit.
All human responsibility before God was met and fulfilled in the Incarnate and Faithful Christ.
If God the Son had not assumed human flesh, and exhibited perfect belief and faithfulness to the Father, as a Man, there would be no church and not a single believer walking this earth.
For it is only by His grace sinners receive faith to believe and it is only by His divine Mediation and constant divine Intercession, any of us believe the gospel and persevere in faith.
No glory comes to us for believing. All glory is given to God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, that any of us believe the gospel unto everlasting life.
glorydaz
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My goodness, Nang. Salvation is the gift we receive when we believe.
You clearly don't want to discuss the verse I gave you....why is that?
As far as Jesus being the author and finisher of faith, you might want to read that verse in context...start with Hebrews 11.
Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
You've almost said as much right there in your post....that He is the first and last....the alpha and omega....the firstborn of every creature....before all things. NOT that He does the trusting or believing for us, but that He is the "captain" of that great cloud of witnesses. Read the context, and you won't be so prone to such errors as you preach.
Col. 1:15-18KJV
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Nang
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We are justified (forgiven) by belief (faith) in the righteousness of Jesus Christ, alone.
This justification by belief (faith) is the gift of God's grace. Ephesians 2:8-10
Salvation is the end result of our justification.
Salvation is not a reward earned by our believing the gospel.
Your (synergistic) statement above makes out that belief is a a human action (work) required to achieve/receive salvation, and such error is the reason why I present argument.
That is a total lie
Nang
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"Justification by faith alone," is the basis for the Reformed faith, which opposes your ungodly Roman Catholic works-righteousness system.
IMJerusha
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Why do you always take just some of God's Word and ignore the rest. What do you think "Have hope" means? And you keep infusing our discussion with verses that have nothing to do with showing forth fruit but rather looking to our own work for salvation which I have never stated we should do. I am not a proponent for anyone being under the law for salvation. No believer in Yeshua can be. That covenant was broken. Yeshua is our new covenant.
Why don't you explain why it is HaSatan still works on you? If all is completed in you, Gdaz, why does HaSatan keep working on you and with some success?
He just thought of it.
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