In context the verses you reference say you must fulfill one commandment of the Torah, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"If you live according to the law then you must obey the WHOLE law, if you don't then you are guilty of it all.
...good luck folks
James 2:8-12 8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. |
According to the logic behind your comment, if you keep the commandment to "love your neighbor as yourself" as James said to do, you must obey the whole law.If you live according to the law then you must obey the WHOLE law
If we can't know Christ according to the flesh - during His time on earth - who is dumb enough to expect to know Him better by studying the types and shadows of schoolmaster Law?
I wasn't addressing you.
You were addressing the thread and not to any one in particular.
I am posting in the thread and responded to your post.
Have you ever studied under the schoolmaster, or are you unlearned?
The Jews PROVED how impossible it is to be righteous by obeying the law.
Jesu's teachings if you try to treat them as laws are even MORE stringent.
I conclude then that anyone who claims they keep the commandments are not being quite honest...hey that's agin the law to start.
The more you set yourself to obey the law the more you will fail.
Thou shalt not lust immediately awakens lust in the flesh when we try to live in obedience to that law.
That is what the law is for. I am FREE both from the law and the sin and the curse attached to it..I receive the blessing attached to obedience to the law through Christ who kept it on my behalf .
He is my Righteousness.
Amen!
You are relying on the righteousness & obedience of ONE, not two.
And that leaves you and I with no boasting whatsoever.
I know this may seem like semantics but...I do agree that the "HEBREWS" collectively proved that establishing OUR own righteousness is not only impossible but we are fully expected to let the Messiah uphold the Torah in our hearts since we cannot. Remember Shaul (Paul) said he was a Benjamite, so keep in mind that every Jew is a Hebrew but every Hebrew is not a Jew.
I completely agree that the standard for us is now very stringent since the Ruach Ha'Kodesh is now writting Torah in our hearts. I was wondering if anyone recalls the Mitzvot that declares every king of Israel MUST write his own copy of the Torah by Hand? Heads up to those who dis-allow the Torah; We, our lives and hearts are the very parchment that Y'Shua is writing His upon. So those who reject Torah are rejecting the writing of the one and only "Lawmaker" Y'Shua.
I think the very writing of His hand are difficult for us and the scarred hand as it contacts our hearts it can be super overwhelming but all is not lost, He will finish what He started. I was wondering who wants to be found 'lawless' along with the 'lawless one' in these endtimes?
Despite all the hubbub surrounding sin and its' problems we have to at least agree what sin is don't you agree? The Scripture declares sin to be the transgression of the Torah, so if you don't know it or even vaguely understand your relationship to it how can you be accountable for it either way? I can describe to you in my own way how I see it.
A bride on the day of her wedding will spend many hours looking into a mirror to primp and make herself most attractive to the groom and all those around. The Torah is like this since it reveals to us what we truly look like to the Groom. If we think we have not sinned we are kidding ourselves and have either despised the mirror or tried to destroy it in some way.
The "curse" of the law is death, not "The law is cursed". When we break a law we pay the penalty. Just because we have paid the penalty this does not relieve us from obeying it this next time around. We cannot confuse salvation with our "old natures" which are at odds against the Torah and the Spirit and the wonderful sacrifice Messiah made for us by being crucified on the tree. Hence, the curse i/e our punishment for not obeying it is paid in full by the Messiah. This does not however give us the right to dis-own the Torah or teach others we are to no longer obey the instructions of our Father YHVH.
We do not obey to be saved we obey because that brings the Father honor and respect. Anyhoo... greasy grace is no substitute for obedience and the true Grace given us.
On a lighter note, since the majority of Christians today whether willingly or unknowingly leave the Torah behind I feel the principles of tithing and the blessing and all the Psalms should be "left behind" where they are buried with the Torah don't you agree? I was just wondering.
I know this may seem like semantics but...I do agree that the "HEBREWS" collectively proved that establishing OUR own righteousness is not only impossible but we are fully expected to let the Messiah uphold the Torah in our hearts since we cannot. Remember Shaul (Paul) said he was a Benjamite, so keep in mind that every Jew is a Hebrew but every Hebrew is not a Jew.
I completely agree that the standard for us is now very stringent since the Ruach Ha'Kodesh is now writting Torah in our hearts. I was wondering if anyone recalls the Mitzvot that declares every king of Israel MUST write his own copy of the Torah by Hand? Heads up to those who dis-allow the Torah; We, our lives and hearts are the very parchment that Y'Shua is writing His upon. So those who reject Torah are rejecting the writing of the one and only "Lawmaker" Y'Shua.
I think the very writing of His hand are difficult for us and the scarred hand as it contacts our hearts it can be super overwhelming but all is not lost, He will finish what He started. I was wondering who wants to be found 'lawless' along with the 'lawless one' in these endtimes?
In context the verses you reference say you must fulfill one commandment of the Torah, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"
James 2:8-12
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
According to the logic behind your comment, if you keep the commandment to "love your neighbor as yourself" as James said to do, you must obey the whole law.
Are you sure you have understood what James was trying to say?
I don't think you quite got it. The law for US has been nailed to the cross. We live by the power of His life.
If you will live by the law it will have it's effect on you.
Thou shalt not lust...immediately you start looking for lust in your members, it was dead, slain by the cross but you by trying to overcome it by obedience to it have brought it back to life....and how.
...you need to read the bible to find where I got it.....do you got a bible?
Sometimes I would like to hear you make a rational point since it is way better for the listeners for you tohave a point when you speak.:noway:Who told you All that?? Where did you read that??
The New Testament / Christ's Testimony IS The "ONLY" Place to find the TRUTH / CHRIST / - "The All Mighty GOD"!!! -- Not in the Old Testimony of the Father of CHRIST!!
(( Isaiah 9:6 KJV )) -- 6- "( For unto US a Child is Born ), ( unto US a SON is Given ): and the Government shall be upon HIS shoulder: and ( His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, ((( "The mighty God, The everlasting Father" ))), The Prince of Peace". --//-----
Paul, David -- 123114!!
i have no knowledge of the "torah". only KJV, NIV type OT and NT Bible, but personally, i think jewish people take themselves too serious. overall, there is a general sense of jews thinking and acting like they are "special" or "chosen". that they are somehow closer to God and the Truth. it gets old. from what i understand, "jewish" people were historically nomadic, even before exodus. i don't know why i feel animosity and tension over Judiasm as the true Faith. Christianity supercedes Judiasm and is superior. basically, i disagree with jews, or anyone for that matter, who does not believe Jesus Is The Messiah, God on earth. it is Written - :king:
Sometimes I would like to hear you make a rational point since it is way better for the listeners for you tohave a point when you speak.:noway: