How to be relevant and stay on earth now, in the Spiritual Age of Aquarius.

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Only the truth will set you free and also save and deliver you.

Only the truth will set you free and also save and deliver you.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Here we have "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption"

The above revelation is confirming that those who got the first fruits of the Holy Spirit are not complete. They still groan for the adoption.

. . . the ensuing verses tell how those with the first fruit of the Holy Spirit must proceed in order to become whole, i.e. to become adopted (as a children of God)

This confirms that there are two steps with respect to becoming adopted as a child of God. To be a child of God is to be saved and delivered. It is also to be a Saint and a Christians (these are all the same thing). These two are:

1.) The first step is receiving the first fruit of the Holy Spirit. The first fruit of the Holy Spirit is awareness of one's own heart or spirit. This also bring one's gifts of the Spirit into functionality. This happens in Peter's church. This is the upper limit of Peter's church. To proceed to the next step, one has to drop Peter and his church and go to Paul's commission.

2.) The second step is Paul's commission. This involves searching one's own heart or spirit to discerning precisely what the Spirit of the Lord has in mind for one to know, say and do and being led into all of one's by only this. This is how one is led by the Spirit of God.

One must go though the Lord Jesus in order to come onto God (who is a Spirit). One is led by the Spirit of God only by being led into one's works by precisely what the Spirit of the Lord Jesus has in mind for each one to know, say and do, as discerned within his own individual heart or spirit (no other way).

What the Spirit of the Lord has in mind for each of us to know, say and do is a perfect amalgam of 1.) the individual ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations which are the fabric of each of our own hearts or spirits and 2.) the will of God.

Therefore when one is led into one's works by precisely what the Spirit of the Lord Jesus has in mind for one to know, say and do, as discerned within one's own own heart or spirit, one expresses and fulfills the things in one's own heart or spirit while simultaneously doing the will of God, in perfect harmony. This is the Christian life style.

Only those who do the will of God are saved and delivered. The above is the only way to come onto God and also do the will of God. That is, by being led by the Spirit of the Lord Jesus as discerned within one's own heart or spirit.

Parroting slogans is nothing. Being saved and delivered is anchored on doing the will of God.

Matthew: 7 KJV N.T.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven

Indeed, the following seems to be a source of serious confusion among traditional Christians:

Romans: 10 KJV N.T.
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

These revelations, Romans: 8 verses: 24 to 28 KJV N.T. and Romans: 10 verses: 9 & 10 KJV N.T. involve the heart. They must concur.

Clearly, with the heart one believes, comes only after one has become spiritually aware. And also after one has discerned the Spirit of the Lord within one's own heart.

'The dead', i.e. the spiritually dead, (of Peter's and other churches and institutions), cannot simply parrot this confession and be saved. Their hearts are waxed gross. Peter's church is the church od people whose hearts are waxed gross. That is the dead are sent to Peter so that their hearts or spirits might be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus (re. 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5 KJV N.T.) The dead cannot make a heart confession.

Only when one's spirit has been saved can one ,make a heart confession. And even then one must search one's own heart or spirit and discern the Spirit of the Lord within. Then one will know that the Lord is not still buried in the earth like all other humans in that area, up to that point in time, but instead He is spirit heaven, clad only in His Spirit body. Only then can one believe that God has long raised Him from the dead and into spirit heaven.

The message here is that one must believe that God raised the Lord Jesus to spirit heaven. This is unlike the Lord Jesus raising Lazarus out of the earth.

It is only possible to believe that God raised the Lord Jesus to spirit heaven when one knows (by searching one's own heart or spirit) that the Lord is alive in spirit heaven. This is where God's kingdom exists. Then one can believe that God raised the Lord from the dead and into spirit heaven.

Galatians: 5 KJV N.T.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Hebrews: 11 KJV N.T.
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

The evidence of things "not seen" is the evidence that the Lord Jesus is alive in His Spirit body in spirit heaven. One get this evidence by communion with the Spirit of Truth which is the Spirit of the Lord Jesus. One does this within one's own heart or spirit. There is no other way to have this evidence.

The above speaks about 'fruits of the Spirit'. However "the first fruit of the Holy Spirit" is awareness of one's own spirit and this brings one's gifts of the Spirit to one's awareness and therefore to functionality. However having and practicing gifts of the Spirit does no make one saved and delivered, a child of God and a Christian. One could be very easily be helping empower the wrong people.

It is clearly stated that: "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought" "but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

Fact is when one who has the first fruit of the Spirit does not search his heart or spirit so as to discern, from the Spirit of the Lord Jesus: how, on whom and where to practice his gifts of the Spirit, he is not serving God. The Spirit of the Lord Jesus must guide one into what to know, say and do.

Fact is: "if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" is not a technique for being saved.

It is a confession of one who has communed with the Spirit of the Lord Jesus and he is led into his works by this Spirit and so does the will of God, so he knows the truth . . . he actually does the will of God.

Simply parroting that as a slogan count for absolutely nothing.

The path to salvation and deliverance is well defined in Romans: 8 verses: 24 to 28 KJV N.T.. Romans: 10 verses: 9 & 10 KJV N.T. would not simply cancel out Romans: 8 verses: 24 to 28 KJV N.T.

Both revelations must work in tandem. Short cuts are corruption that lead to failure and death.

 

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The following revelations pertain to:
1.) Peter
2.) Satan
3.) A church that the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man, Lord Jesus established. This is a 'seen' church.

(The Spirit,'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus established another church which was committed onto Paul. This is a 'not seen' church. We are not focusing on Paul's commission and Paul church on this post.)

Matthews: 16 KJV N.T.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthews: 16 KJV N.T.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

1 Corinthians: 5 KJV N.T.
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

The messages in these revelations are literally as follows:
1.) Some people are delivered unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
2.) Clearly this is Satan serving the Lord Jesus.
3.) Clearly this is a church under Satan where Satan can attempt to save the spirits of some people in the day of the Lord Jesus.
4.) Clearly this must be Peter's church because the Lord Jesus did identify Peter to be Satan.

The following further messages are contain in these revelations:
1.) it is said about Peter's church: "I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven"

It is confirmed in another revelation, that: the kingdom of God is within.



Clearly saving the spirit of people is how they are bounded in heaven.
5.) Clearly those whose spirit are not saved are not bounded in heaven (they are loose in heaven).

Also: We know that Peter's church is not that consequential becasue it was established by the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man, Lord Jesus. And:

Matthews: 12 KJV N.T.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Luke: 12 KJV N.T.
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

In fact, to blaspheme Peter's church is to blaspheme the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man, Lord Jesus and . . . that 'shall be forgiven him'.

We know also that Paul blasphemed Peter's church. Then not only was he forgiven, the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus came to him and rewarded him with the actual Christian commission which is anchored on spirit and Spirit. The Lord came to Paul in His 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, format and committed the Gospel of un-circumcision onto Paul. This is righteous of God that is without the law and canons etc.. This is righteousness with God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law and get no sin but instead be glorified by God.

. . . more will be added.

 

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Peter, Satan, the church for 'the dead' and the Keys, to God's kingdom of heaven..

Peter, Satan, the church for 'the dead' and the Keys, to God's kingdom of heaven..

This post focuses on the keys to God's kingdom of heaven. Also referred to as 'the keys', in other quarters.

The following revelations, in the King James version of the New Testament (KJV N.T.), pertain to:
1.) Peter
2.) Satan
3.) A church that the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man, Lord Jesus established. This is a 'seen' church.

(The Spirit,'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus established another church which was committed onto Paul. This is a 'not seen' church. We are not focusing on Paul's commission and Paul church on this post.)

Matthews: 16 KJV N.T.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthews: 16 KJV N.T.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

1 Corinthians: 5 KJV N.T.
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

The messages in these revelations are literally as follows:
1.) Some people are delivered unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
2.) Clearly this is Satan serving the Lord Jesus.
3.) Clearly this is a church under Satan where Satan can attempt to save the spirits of some people in the day of the Lord Jesus.
4.) Clearly this must be Peter's church because the Lord Jesus did identify Peter to be Satan.

The following further messages are contain in the above revelations:
1.) it is said about Peter's church: "I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven"

The above relates to:
Luke: 17 KJV N.T.
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Therefore the keys to the kingdom of heaven is "within a person" and this is linked to "the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus".

2.) the above revelations also confirm: "and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven". Since the Jesus given mission of Peter, with respect to people, is the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Clearly this is how Peter binds people on earth so that they might be bounded in heaven. To be clear, Peter's mission as given to him by the Lord Jesus is to bind people on earth so that they might be bounded in heaven. Peter is to accomplish this by: the destruction of their flesh, that their spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

3.) the above revelations also confirm: "and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven". This confirms that Peter & Co. will not succeed with some people. That is they will not succeed with some people in "the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus". These people will be loose on earth and shall be loose in heaven. To be loose in heaven is to be subject-able or susceptible to hell.

Also the revelations speak of binding people on earth. Therefore this revelation is about Peter & Co. saving the spirits of spiritually dead people. This is about Peter & Co. aiding the transformation of the spiritually dead (also called "the dead") to spiritually awareness before the Lord Jesus returns in a human physical body. This is about preliminary earthly work. This is not about delivering any one to heaven. This is simply delivering the keys to heaven. The keys to heaven is spiritual awareness. i.e. spiritual awareness is simply the means through which one can open the door to heaven.

Being delivered to heaven is quite another thing. This is anchored in the commission of Paul. Those whose spirits are saved by Peter & Co. are now qualified to go over to Paul's commission. They must abandon Peter & Co. and wholly go over to Paul's commission.

Also: We know that Peter's church is not that consequential becasue it was established by the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man, Lord Jesus. And:

Matthews: 12 KJV N.T.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Luke: 12 KJV N.T.
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

In fact, to blaspheme Peter's church is to blaspheme the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man, Lord Jesus and . . . that 'shall be forgiven him'.

We know also that Paul persecuted and blasphemed Peter's church. Then not only was he forgiven, the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus came to him and rewarded him with the actual Christian commission which is anchored on spirit and Spirit. The Lord came to Paul in His 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, format and committed the Gospel of un-circumcision onto Paul. This is righteous of God that is without the law and canons etc.. This is righteousness with God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law and get no sin but instead be glorified by God.

Therefore when one becomes spiritually aware the commission and church of Peter & Co. become foolishness for them.

Therefore persecution and blasphemy of Peter's church (by a newly spiritually aware person) will be forgiven. On the other hand: denial, persecution undermining and/or blaspheme of Paul's commission is quite another thing. No one will be forgiven this act, at any place or time.

. . . more will be added.

You might ask, how, according to the KJV N.T., would Peter & Co, seek to achieve their Jesus given mission of "the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus"

That can be the fabric of my next post.

 

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The technique that is prescribed in the KJV N.T. for "the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus":

This lies in a precise use of the KJV N.T.

The saving of the spirit of anyone is literally the act of having him or her awaken to his or her own heart or spirit.

1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The above revelation confirms that There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

However although everyone posses one each of both of these bodies, people are classified into two types, based on these bodies.

There are the dead and there are the spiritually aware. It is all a matter of awareness.

Everyone on earth, is aware of his or her natural man which is his physical body. However not everyone is aware of his or her spiritual body. This creates the division among humans on earth.

'The dead' describes a person who is aware of only is physical body and not at all aware of his spirit body. This person is also called a child of the flesh (he/she is aware of only his flesh body). This person is also called Satan.

This person (the dead) is the kind of people who are delivered unto the church and commission of Satan/Peter for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

This simply means that in the church and commission of Satan/Peter they are supposed to become aware of their own hearts or spirit. This act is described as being 'born again'. This is also describes as being 'born of spirit'.

John: 3 KJV N.T.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Being 'born again' is a 'not seen' (none physical) development.

Here our first birth is described as our 'water birth.' This is our physical birth in a physical body. Although Nicodemus was a 'big religious deal' of that time, he knew nothing about having a spirit body or being awakened to one's spirit body.

. . . . will continue

One has to recognize what is lacking in the dead and who is the dead

Faith must be awaken.

 

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The KJV N.T. technique for saving one's spirit in the day of the Lord Jesus.

The KJV N.T. technique for saving one's spirit in the day of the Lord Jesus.

The following is the technique that is prescribed in the KJV N.T. for "the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus":

It lies in a precise and particular use of the KJV N.T.

The saving of the spirit of anyone is literally the act of having him or her awaken to his or her own heart or spirit.

1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The above revelation confirms that There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

However although everyone posses one each of both of these bodies, people are classified into two types, based on these bodies.

There are 'the dead' and there are 'the spiritually aware'. It is all a matter of awareness.

Everyone on earth, is aware of his or her natural man which is his physical body. However not everyone is aware of his or her spiritual body. This creates the division among humans on earth.

'The dead' describes a person who is aware of only his physical body and not at all aware of his spirit body. This person is also called a child of the flesh (he/she is aware of only his flesh body). This person is also called Satan. He function only through his physical body and left side brain hemisphere. He is a lettered and letter discern-er. His vision for the KJV N.T. is to go back into manuscripts, using dictionaries etc. and rewrite the KJV N.T.' It is rooted in physical/intellectual discernment/understanding of scriptures. This is the way of 'the spiritually dead', also called 'the dead'.

'The dead' is the kind of people who must be delivered unto the church and commission of Satan/Peter for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

This simply means that in the church and commission of Satan/Peter they ('the dead') are supposed to become aware of their own hearts or spirit. This act is described as being 'born again'. This is also describes as being 'born of spirit' or being born a 'second time'. Those who have this 'second birth' are (no longer 'the dead'). They are spiritually aware.

John: 3 KJV N.T.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Being 'born again' is a 'not seen' (none physical) development.

Here our first birth is described as our 'water birth'. 'The dead' is said to have this birth. This is our physical birth in a physical body. The other birth is our 'spirit birth' This is described as a 'second birth'.

Although Nicodemus was a 'big religious deal' of that time, he knew nothing about having a spirit body or being awakened to one's spirit body. In that area of earth, it was the Lord Jesus who introduced this ideas of the existence of a spirit body in humans and the idea of awakening humans to their spirit bodies. Apparently up to that time, in that area of earth, all people were 'the dead' (in the Lord Jesus' statement let 'the dead' dead bury their dead) . . . i.e. at least among Nicodemus & Co..

Any way the Jesus given mission of Peter was to receiver these O.T. people (the dead) and awaken them to their own heart or spirits. This was his simple and solo mission.

Our spirit side is some thing that is 'not seen'. This relates to:

2 Corinthians: 4 KJV N.T.
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Therefore becoming aware of one's own spirit is about reaching the plateau where one can look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

This is achieved by coming onto faith. What is faith:

Hebrews: 11 KJV N.T.
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

How does faith comes:

Romans: 10 KJV N.T.
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Faith is anchored in thing 'not seen'. Therefore faith does not come through lettered discernment of scriptures, these are 'seen' things.

Faith comes by hearing about the miracles that the Lord Jesus and the disciples did. These operate from the not seen realm. Miracles open one's awareness to abstract and not seen capabilities which are the fabric of one's spirit. By hearing these miracles more and more one awakens and actualizes one's spirit more and more.

That is, one is loosened from the idea of achieving all thing through only through physical effort and one awaken to one's magical capacity (one's none physical capabilities) which are anchored in one's spirit.

The above is the passage to spiritual awakening and awareness. This is also how (and the only way) the KJV N.T. must be used for: "the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus"

Therefore Peter's church must be: all about telling and retelling and dramatizing miracles. This will dampen (destroy) one's flesh approach to life and awaken and actualize one's spirit approach to life. This will enliven one's gifts of the Spirit. (However this is not yet salvation and deliverance etc.)

Lettered discernment of scriptures (a la Freelight and others) is for 'the dead' (O.T. people) who have not been called to Peter's commission.

Paul's commission is another thing. One must successfully graduate from Peter's commission to enter Paul's commission. It is only through Paul's commission that one can come under grace of God, can be saved and delivered and become a child of God and a Christian. And also have God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law and get no sin but instead, be glorified by God. It is only when one adopts and live by, the ideas in Paul's commission that God is for one and: no entity, nothing or no one can touch one or succeed against one. One will be 'in Christ, i.e. authentically 'in Christ'. One will be a Saint.

'The dead' need to know the above and move from the O.T. and onto Peter's commission. There 'the dead' is supposed to become spiritually aware. Then move from Peter's commission onto Paul's commission. Then fully adapt Paul's spirit and Spirit based commission. Then one will be relevant for and be permitted to stay on, the surface of earth at this time, in the Age of Aquarius. This is the aim of the Lord Jesus and God. This is Christianity.


Where will you be?

There is no worries, suffering and/or danger for those who are authentically 'in Christ'. They are the chosen few.

Where are you?

 

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The path to salvation and God's kingdom of heaven is serving one's own spirit.

The path to salvation and God's kingdom of heaven is serving one's own spirit.

1.) 1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The above revelation confirms that our natural man (i.e. our physical body) is from earth. And our spiritual body is from heaven.

Therefore for those seeking God's kingdom of heaven, the focus and preoccupation must be with one's spirit body. One must serve one's spirit. This is confirmed in:

2.) Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; [SIZE=+1][/SIZE]that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Clearly [SIZE=+1][/SIZE]"that we should serve in newness of spirit," relates to those who have recently become spiritually aware (in Peter's church). That is: those whose spirits were saved. They are no longer 'the dead'. They are now spiritually aware. Therefore they can serve in the newness of spirit. Also they are now freed from the law of sin and death in oder to serve in the newness of spirit. They now have God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law (the Ten Commandments), other tenants of scriptures and canons etc. and get no sin but instead, be glorified by God, when they serve in 'the newness of spirit'.

3.) Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

They are therefore 'over and done with' Peter's church and commission. They are also 'over and done with' the law, other tenants of scriptures and all other moral, social and religious ideals and laws.

Those who have graduated from Peter' church are described as having the first fruit of the Spirit. They are not complete. They have to drop Peter's commission and move on to Paul commission for completion.

4.) Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

The instruction is one must now: 'serve in the newness of spirit'. This is the fabric of Paul's commission. This defines the technique for serving one's own spirit whiles also doing the will of God (which is the Holy Spirit) in perfect harmony. This is the path to salvation and deliverance. This and only this is to be Christian.

5.) Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

:idea: :idea: The statement: "if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." is gravely misunderstood by traditional Christians.

It is clearly confirmed that God is a Spirit . . . not the Spirit. The Spirit of Truth is another Spirit. This is the Spirit of the Lord Jesus. This is also the Spirit of Intercession.

Therefore the revelation: "if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" does not indicated that both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of the Lord Jesus are the same Spirit. The message here is that, since one is no longer 'the dead' but now spiritually aware, one has received the Spirit of the God and the first fruit of the Spirit of God. Therefore the Spirit of the God dwells in one. However one is still not complete. This does not make one 'one' with the Lord Jesus or one in the Spirit of the Christ. One must also have the Spirit of the Lord Jesus. Then one will be one of the lord Jesus people and also be one in the Spirit of Christ. After having the Holy Spirit, i.e. the first fruits of the Holy Spirit another step is required. Even though one has the Holy Spirit, adoption as a child of God is necessary and still to come. This is possible only through another Spirit, i.e. the Spirit of the Lord Jesus:

6.) Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

The above also confirms that even though one has the first fruit of the Holy Spirit (and therefore has the Holy Spirit) there is still something that is 'hoped for' and 'not seen'. This has to do with the following:

7.) John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The disciples were those who had the firsts fruit of the Spirit. They got this whiles the Lord Jesus was physically among them. They had the Holy Spirit. However thereafter they still 'hoped for' something that is 'not seen'. This was the Spirit of Truth who will bring All Truth. This Spirit became available to the disciples only after the Lord Jesus was crucified and rose to spirit heaven. This is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. It is though this Spirit that those with the first fruit of the Spirit can become adopted children of God. The above verse is about this revelation.

From this point onward-wards the revelations deals with how those with the Holy Spirit can become adopted children of God, through the Spirit of truth/Spirit of the Lord Jesus. From this point on-wards every thing is anchored in intuitive discernment and awareness of one's own spirit and direct intuitive communion with the Spirit of the Lord Jesus/Spirit of Truth who communes with the Holy Spirit.

. . . see next post:

 

[Gurucam]

From this point onward-wards the revelations deals with how those with the Holy Spirit can become adopted children of God, through the Spirit of truth/Spirit of the Lord Jesus. From this point on-wards every thing is anchored in intuitive discernment and awareness of one's own spirit and direct intuitive communion with the Spirit of the Lord Jesus/Spirit of Truth who communes with the Holy Spirit.

1.) John: 4 KJV N.T.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John: 14 KJV N.T.
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

The Lord rose to spirit heaven clad only in His Spirit body:

2.) 1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

No one can come onto God who is the Holy Spirit but through the Lord Jesus. This never stopped and will never stop. The Lord Jesus is currently clad only in Spirit body and 'seated' on the right side of the Holy Spirit, in spirit heaven. Intercession between humans and God happens only through the Spirit of the Lord Jesus. This happens only through an intuitive connection between the individual spirit of each person and the Spirit of the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

3.) 1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Lord is clad only in His Spirit body as a separate entity, 'seated' on the right side of the Holy Spirit ready willing and able to make intercession on behalf of spiritually aware humans (according to the things in each of their own hearts or spirit, with the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit of the Lord Jesus is the Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Truth. What the Spirit of the Lord Jesus has in mind for each person is unique to that person. Therefore the Spirit of the Lord Jesus is different for each person. The Spirit of the Lord Jesus is a perfect amalgam of 1.) the ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspiration which are the fabric of each person own spirit and 2.) the Spirit of God. This constitutes precisely what the Spirit of the Lord Jesus has in mind for one to pray for, know, say and do.

This cannot be delivered in physically spoken and physically written words. Even the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man, Lord Jesus could not deliver these things to anyone. This can be deliver only to each person privately and individually and only intuitively (not physically) though one own heart or spirit. This has to be delivered to each person individually, privately and intuitively by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus, through one's own heart or spirit. This is also called the Spirit of Truth.

4.) John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The instruction is clear: Each spiritually aware person must search his or her own heart or spirit to discern precisely what the Spirit of the Lord Jesus has in mind for him or her to pray for, know, say and do. Then simply be led into all of one's works by this, even if he or she has to transgress all ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity (including the Ten Commandments). This is the path to salvation and deliverance and being a child of God, a Christian and a Saint, etc..

5.) Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Those who hold any other idea about being saved and delivered and being a child of God, a Christian and/or a Saint, etc.. are misguided. They are not saved and/or delivered and they are not children of God, Christians or Saints. They are not among the chosen few. They are simply destine for very bitter disappointment.[/B]

6.) Mathews: 20 KJV N.T.
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Luke: 13 KJV N.T.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Matthew: 7 KJV N.T.
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

7.) The above is not only the last trumpet. This is also the strait gate and the narrow way which leadeth onto life. This is truth in the fullness of time. This is the purification of what passed for Christianity (in the public domain) for the past 2000 odd years. This will enable those who are last to Christianity to get truth, not err and be chosen first.

8.) . . . No doubt it is very important to accurately identify precisely what the Spirit of the Lord Jesus has in mind for one to pray for, know, say and do, within one's own heart or spirit. This will be my next post.

 

[OCTOBER23]

GURUCAM,

I think that you are referring to Revelation 12:1

correction: No one can come onto God the Father,

who GAVE the Holy Spirit through the Lord Jesus.

 

[Gurucam]

GURUCAM,

I think that you are referring to Revelation 12:1

correction: No one can come onto God the Father,

who GAVE the Holy Spirit through the Lord Jesus.

1.) Revelation 12 KJV N.T.
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

I do not want to venture into the above which is a parable rendition. Also it is not advisable to go into "Revelations" in the KJV N.T.

2.) The KJV N.T. is comprised of two different sets of revelations for two different kinds of people (i.e. different types of people). This relates to the fact that, among those called to be Christians, there are two types of people. Both types were permitted on earth for the past 2000 odd years. So two sets of revelations were given.

Indeed many are called to be Christians. However only some of these people are chosen for God's kingdom of heaven, which was prophesied to come to the surface of earth, in the fullness of time. Others are not chosen for God's kingdom of heaven when the God's kingdom of heaven comes, fully, to the surface of earth, in the fullness of time. These others (i.e. those who are not chosen) will be teleported out of here and into a parallel earth, in the fullness of time.

Only those who are teleported out of here to that parallel earth, will experience those "Revelation" related dooms day events. Those dooms day events is not new. They are continuously happening in a parallel earth. They are perpetually unfold in a parallel earth. That parallel earth is very similar to this earth, except the light of the sun, the moon and the stars do not reach there and all those dooms day event are perpetually unfolding. This parallel earth is within the depths of earth. It is hell.

The not chosen are sent there. However when they reach there they are totally disoriented and they remain that way. They perceive that they are still on earth and that this earth is been transformed to that hellish reality. Fact is, they do not realize that they have been teleported out of this earth where the light of the sun, moon and the stars shines and they are now in another parallel earth that is hell, with Satan, inside the depths of earth and where the light of the sun, the moon and stars do not reach.

3.) Those who dwell on (i.e. attempt to make 'sense' of ) "Revelations" dooms day prophesies become entangled with them. In other words those prophesies become their reality. They are endangering themselves. They are putting them selves at risk of being teleported to that parallel earth where those events are currently and perpetually unfolding. It is best to not know about those, so you have no expectations of them. If you do not know about them they have no existence for you.

At any event those "Revelations" dooms day prophesies are not applicable to authentic Christians. My aim is to bring as many as possible, into authentic Christianity, in these last day, so they can be the last few who are chosen first.

Therefore I am not referring to 'Revelation', except to say that those disastrous events will not unfold on this earth but on a parallel earth among those who are not chosen, when they are teleported there in the fullness of time. Teleportation of the 'not chosen' from the surface of earth to the depths of earth, which is hell, with Satan, will occur in the fullness of time when God' kingdom of heaven is fully established on the surface of earth. This event is described as follows in the KJV N.T.:

Matthews: 24 KJV N.T.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

:idea: :idea: You asked if I am referring to: "Revelation 12:1". I am not. I am referring to:

4.) John: 14 KJV N.T.
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

and

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Some will ask, in what body did the Lord rise to heaven? The answer was provided:

1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

5.) The KJV N.T. confirms that the Lord Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, for all eternity, no man cometh unto the Father, but by Him. .

However the Lord Jesus had two formats. One was temporal and the other eternal as follows:

1.) The Lord Jesus was born of a woman and physically walked on earth. This was the Physical, 'seen' and temporal , son of man Lord Jesus.
2.) When the Lord Jesus was crucified, He rose to spirit heaven clad only in his spiritual body. This is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus.

6.) This means that after Lord Jesus was crucified and rose to spirit heaven, one has to connect with and commune with Him in his Spiritual body. Because he is clad only in His spiritual body.

The Lord is clad only in His Spirit body, seated on the right side of the Holy Spirit in spirit heaven. There He is ready willing and able to make intercession with the Holy Spirit on behalf of humans.

However humans must be themselves spiritually aware in order to have this communion with the Lord Jesus who is current only in His Spirit body . . . because: spiritual thing can be and must be discerned only spiritually.

 

[daqq]

GURUCAM

GRC-AM|430+430+430(1290)+1260
TO CRUSH STRONG DELUSION BLINDED PEOPLE
AND A NEW MEEK ONE SHALL INHERIT HIS LAND IN THAT DAY

 

[Gurucam]

GRC-AM|430+430+430(1290)+1260
TO CRUSH STRONG DELUSION BLINDED PEOPLE
AND A NEW MEEK ONE SHALL INHERIT HIS LAND IN THAT DAY

Indeed.

Many are called and few chosen.

Many false prophets (starting with Peter & Co.) came in Jesus' name and misled many (i.e. they misled the very great majority of those called to Christianity).

These great masses of people therefore err and were and continue to be, 'not chosen'.

The fact is Peter was among 'the dead'. Indeed he was identified to be Satan by the Lord Jesus for the edification of all. This meant that Peter & Co. did not have the actualization to deliver anything 'Christian'. Peter's Jesus given commission was limited to:

1 Corinthians: 5 KJV N.T.
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

It seems that Peter & Co. did not stay within the Jesus given boundary of their commission. They seemed to have wrongly infiltrated Christianity and misled the very great majority of those called to Christianity. These later came to be known as traditional Christians. They seem to be at least a billion strong.

Galatians 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

The very great majority of those called to Christianity denied, relegated and/or bluff their way over this very clear revelation where the Lord Jesus identified Peter to be Satan. Also they ignored the above revelation, 1 Corinthians: 5 verses: 5 KJV N.T.. Instead they foolishly elevated and embraced Peter & Co. beyond their capacity and their Jesus given appointment. It seem also that under the encouragement of Peter & Co., they (traditional Christians) also went on to deny, persecute, blaspheme and relegate Paul's commission so as to promote Peter's commission as the only one.

Indeed it is clearly obvious and all pervading that: traditional Christians deny, persecuted, blasphemed and relegated Paul's commission. Paul's commission is the Christian commission of the Lord Jesus. It is spirit and Spirit based. This is the commission of the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus. This is a 'not seen' commission. In this commission all followers are led individually and precisely by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus.

Peter's commission is law and lettered based. This is the commission of the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Lord Jesus. This is a 'seen commission. This is the Lord Jesus' Satanic commission. This commission is according to:

1 Corinthians: 5 KJV N.T.
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Traditional Christians, at least a billion strong, all esteem the law in some form or fashion and falsely claim to be Christian. Is this the doing of Peter & Co.?

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (of the law of sin and death)

Are these false brethren Peter & Co.?

Clearly some group of people on earth, are strongly against anyone rising to heaven in three day after their death (like the Lord Jesus), to be like angels in heaven. This is the way of Christians. They are the chosen few.

"It is said that the greatest trick that Satan accomplished was to convince the masses that he was not Satan." . . . come to your own conclusion.

. . . the truth can be told in only so many ways. The rest is left to the individual. He must wake up.

By the way I have no idea what the following means: GRC-AM|430+430+430(1290)+1260, etc.

 

[Gurucam]

GURUCAM,

. . . No one can come onto God the Father,

who GAVE the Holy Spirit through the Lord Jesus.

Where did you get the above statement?

Is it a conclusion? How did you come to that conclusion? Please offer an explanation.

Indeed one comes onto the Holy Spirit by going through the Spirit of the Lord Jesus. However this is possible only after one is no longer 'the dead', i.e. after one has become spiritually aware.

 

[OCTOBER23]

No one can come to God the Father
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I was correcting one of your posts.

2.) 1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

No one can come onto God who is the Holy Spirit but through the Lord Jesus. This never stopped and will never stop. The Lord Jesus is currently clad only in Spirit body and 'seated' on the right side of the Holy Spirit, in spirit heaven. Intercession between humans and God happens only through the Spirit of the Lord Jesus. This happens only through an intuitive connection between the individual spirit of each person and the Spirit of the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

 

[OCTOBER23]

GURUCAM ,

GOD THE FATHER IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT.

GOD THE FATHER GIVES THE HOLY SPIRIT.

The description of God the Father is in REV 4:3

Revelation 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone:

and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

 

[Gurucam]

GURUCAM ,

GOD THE FATHER IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT.

GOD THE FATHER GIVES THE HOLY SPIRIT.

The description of God the Father is in REV 4:3

Revelation 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone:

and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Indeed God, The Father, is not the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.

The Holy Spirit was born from God. The Holy Spirit belongs to God.

This means that God, Our Father, is something other than the Holy Spirit. However He is in the Holy Spirit. Therefore He can be discerned within the Holy Spirit.

God, The Father cannot be defined or limited. Fact is God, The Father, is God of things well beyond humans and human understanding.

Therefore, as humans in physical bodies on earth, when we speak of God the Father, we reduce His absolutely unlimited-ness to only His relevance to humans and this creation. Then God The Father becomes God, Our Father (i.e. a reduced version).

For humans on earth in a physical body, God, God is simply all the ideas related to this creation of which humans are a part. This is God, Our Father. This is God, our Father in His all knowing state. Pure potentiality or none doing state. This is the creation in its none manifested state. In its ideas only state. The field of pure potentiality. This is God, Our Father.

From the above is born the Holy Spirit. Where as God, The Father is simply a knowing thing, a spirit which is a force, is a doing thing. Therefore the Holy Spirit is the doing form of every thing that is God, Our Father, as He relates to this creation.

God is all the ideas that make up this creation. The Holy Spirit is the force of these ideas.

The Holy Spirit (God's Spirit) is born out of God in the following way. God is literally unbounded and unlimited ideas. From within these ideas that comprise God, love arises for a particular set from these unbounded and unlimited ideas. This particulate set is Our Father. (The total unbounded and unlimited ideas is The Father). This particular set relate to this creation of which humans are a part. This love for these specific set of ideas created and sustains the Holy Spirit.

Spirits do not arise for all of the ideas that comprise God, The Father. Therefore humans must be eternally grateful that love arose for these ideas of which they are a part. And indeed humans are concerned with and connected to, this particular set of ideas. These particular set of ideas is called Our Father.

The Spirit born from Our Father (i.e. the ideas that is this creation) is the Holy Spirit. This was created and is sustained by love for Our Father(i.e. love for the ideas that is this creation).

:idea: Humans are themselves ideas as well. Each human is a specific (much smaller) set of ideas which comprise God.

And love arose and is sustained within the totality of all ideas that is God for these specific set of ideas that include human. This is the fabric of the Holt Spirit.

Our interest must and do relate to these specific set of idea. These set of ideas (which pertains to us) comprise, Our Father who is in and operates from, heaven. Our Father is a limited version of The Father.

The Holy Spirit is actually the living expression of those ideas loving themselves.

God is literally a set of ideas for this creation. The Spirit of, the Holy Spirit is the alive expression of love for those ideas. For humans these ideas pertain to humans and this creation.

Humans are built in the same way. Humans on earth, are also ideas. However humans are a serious contraction of the ideas which are God, the Father. Each human is literally a smaller and individualized set of ideas from the total set of ideas that is God, our Father.

And each of our individual spirits are expressions of love for these lesser sets of ideas.

From ideas are born spirit. This is true for both God, our Father and humans.

From spirit is born physical manifestation. The physical expression of the Holy Spirit is the total 'physical' creation. The physical expression of each human spirit is their own individualized physical body.

The Lord Jesus is also purely ideas. His ideas state is called the Truth. Love arose and are sustained for these idea called the Truth. The expression of this is the Spirit of Truth.

The ideas which is the Lord Jesus is unique. The hold no personal dimension. The ideas that is the Lord Jesus is the Truth. This is different for each person. It represent each person's individualized Truth. The Lord Jesus is literally each person's Truth.

This is a perfect and harmonious amalgam of individual ideas that is each person and the ideas that are God, Our Father.

 

[Gurucam]

GURUCAM ,

GOD THE FATHER IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT.

GOD THE FATHER GIVES THE HOLY SPIRIT.

The description of God the Father is in REV 4:3

Revelation 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone:

and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Things of God are known only individually and intuitively. It is a realization which dawns on one from an internal search through one's own spirit.

1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

By seeking answers or engagement with respect, to the above from interpretations of scriptures you are effectively killething yourself. You are undermining your spirit side and your own intuitive actualization and development. You should seek your answers internally through your own heart or spirit, from the Spirit of Truth.

At any event the following is an attempt to render something of God in physically written words:

Indeed God, The Father, is not the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is God's (our Father's) Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Spirit of God, The Father.

There is difference between God, The Father and God, Our Father.

The Holy Spirit was born from God, our Father.

This means that God, Our Father, is something other than the Holy Spirit. However God, our Father, is also in the Holy Spirit. Therefore He can be discerned within the Holy Spirit.

God, The Father, cannot be defined or limited. Fact is God, The Father is God of things well beyond humans and human understanding. Humans can recognize only a part of God, The Father. This part is described as God, Our Father.

Therefore when, as humans in physical bodies on earth, we speak of God the Father, we reduce His absolutely unlimited-ness to only His relevance to humans and this creation.

For humans on earth in a physical body, God, The Father is simply all the ideas related to this creation of which humans are a part. This is God, Our Father. (a reduced version of God, The Father). This is God (Our Father) in His all knowing state. Pure potentiality or none doing state. This is the creation in its none manifested state. In its ideas only state. The field of pure potentiality. This is God, Our Father. From the above is born the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Our Father.

Where as God, Our Father is simply a knowing thing, the Holy Spirit is a force and a doing thing. Therefore the Holy Spirit is the doing form of the ideas that is God, Our Father.

In summary, God (our Father) is all the ideas that make up this creation, including humans. The Holy Spirit is the force of these ideas. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit or Force of our Father.

The Holy Spirit (God's Spirit) is born out of God in the following way. God (The Father) is literally unbounded and unlimited ideas. From within these unbounded and unlimited ideas that is God (The Father), love arises for a particular set. This set related to this creation of which humans are a part. This set is our Father. From this particular set of ideas, the Holy Spirit was created and is sustained.

Spirits do not arise for all of the ideas that comprise God, The Father. Therefore humans must be eternally grateful that love arose for these ideas of which they are a part. And indeed humans are concerned with this particular set of ideas. These particular set of ideas is called Our Father.

The Spirit born from Our Father (i.e. the ideas that is this creation) is the Holy Spirit. This was created and is sustained by love for Our Father(i.e. love for the ideas that is this creation) .

:idea: Humans are themselves ideas as well. Humans were created in the image of God. Each human is a specific (much smaller) set of ideas, from the total set which is God, our Father.

Humans are built in the same way. Humans on earth, are also ideas. However humans are a serious contraction of the ideas which are God, our Father. Each human is literally a smaller and individualized set of ideas from the total set of ideas that is God, our Father.

And each of our individual spirits are expressions of love for these lesser sets of ideas.

:idea: From ideas are born spirit. This is true for both God, our Father and humans.

From spirit is born physical manifestation. The physical expression of the Holy Spirit is the total 'physical' creation. The physical expression of each human spirit is their own individualized physical body.

The Lord Jesus is also purely ideas. His ideas state is called the Truth. Love arose and are sustained for these idea called the Truth. The expression of this is the Spirit of Truth.

The ideas which is the Lord Jesus is unique. The ideas which is the Lord Jesus hold no personal dimension. On the other hand, the ideas that is each person, although unique, are self serving. This is one's truth. Also the ideas that is our Father is unique to our Father. They are also Self serving.

The ideas that is the Lord Jesus is the Truth. This is totally impersonal. It represent each person's individualized Truth. This is different for each person. The Lord Jesus is literally each person's individualized Truth.

Each person's Truth (or each person's Jesus) is unique. He is a perfect and harmonious amalgam of 1.) individual ideas that is each person and 2.) the ideas that are God, Our Father.

If one hold the Christian idea that: when one dies on earth, one will remain aware of one's spirit body and indeed separate out of one's dead physical body, and the Lord Jesus, clad only in His Spirit body, will meet one and take one, in three days, to spirit heaven into the mansion in God's house which He (the Lord) has prepared for one, then so be it , this will be one's reality. This will be one's passage and destination.

The spirit and the spirit realm is not fixed. The Spirit world is the field of all probabilities and possibilities. One who is aware in one's spirit body (after death) can and will encounter (precipitate) the ideas and beliefs that one held while one was in physical body on earth that is, if while one lived on earth, these became deeply seated enough to be held in one's heart or spirit then one's destination can be in the spirit realm where the Kingdom of heaven exists. If this entanglement involves the Spirit of the Lord Jesus and serving according to the Spirit of the Lord Jesus while one lived on earth, one will be received by the Lord (clad in His Spirit body) and taken, in three days, to Jesus' mansion in God's house in spirit heaven. There one will be like an angel in heaven.

The aim of all aspiring Christians should be to get to this plateau, where the above idea becomes the very fabric of one's own heart or spirit. This starts with one becoming aware of one's own spirit as it exist presently, then moving up to this above ideas. This passage is the essence of this thread. This is described as 'having the Spirit of the Lord Jesus'.


. . . to be continued

 

[dialm]

Merry Christmas Gurucam. I love you in Christ brother. Happy new year to you and yours.

 

[Gurucam]

Merry Christmas Gurucam. I love you in Christ brother. Happy new year to you and yours.

Same to you . . .

Merry Christmas Dialm. I love you and yours also, in Christ brother. Happy new year to you and yours.

 

[dialm]

Just for the holidays can we be a little more simplistic? It might be helpful for teaching purposes. Would you be willing to try that for a week? I know it is your thread but there is an interest if it were a little less complicated.

What do you say Gurucam?

 

[Gurucam]

Just for the holidays can we be a little more simplistic? It might be helpful for teaching purposes. Would you be willing to try that for a week? I know it is your thread but there is an interest if it were a little less complicated.

What do you say Gurucam?

What would that help? The path to salvation and deliverance is simple.

It appears to be complicate only when compared to the corruption that is being passed-off for Christianity every where. There is such a big gap.

It is not that one simply have to confirm the truth from a zero starting point. One has to bring people back from a totally negative 100 point to zero and then confirm truth.

I am also required to hold very firmly to my teaching. Fact is everyone believes that he can and must add his own traditional (corrupt) dimension. There can be no compromise if one wants to be saved and delivered. No partially 'right' idea can or will work:

Matthew: 7 KJV N.T.
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The path to salvation and deliverance has been corrupted so badly that to get anyone on stream with this path which is truth, requires real work.

However if the path is complicate well it is complicate only for the 'corrupt' and those inclined to be corrupt. Softening it or making it palatable can and will serve no purpose. Each corrupted person must loosen himself. He must free himself from his own corrupt ideas. He must want truth enough to become a seeker and not a know-er.

I do not make truth complicated. In fact truth is not complicated. It is most natural and spontaneous to live by truth. And this is simply the path to salvation and deliverance. It is simply this way.

At any event, it is far better to try with the complicated truth now before one's erroneous ways are discovered, when it is too late. Do not exchange a few years on earth in make believe comfort for eternal discomfort. This is what you are suggesting with your idea.

I cannot get your point. Are you suggesting that I deliver 'less than the truth'?

Being Christian is a 24-7 life style. It is a reality. One who can suspend being authentic for the holidays cannot be and is not Christian. If after all this time you do not know this fact, it is indeed sad for you. Also you are promoting self denial which is death.

Truth is simple. Seems that some people are simply dense. They are simply 'waxed gross'. This is my authentic conclusion. This is not a parable or a bluff. Don't you want it this way?

I practice authenticity 24-7. I have and will practice, no covert agenda.