How to be relevant and stay on earth now, in the Spiritual Age of Aquarius.

[Gurucam]

Dialm,

John: 14 KJV N.T.
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew: 12 KJV N.T.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

The Lord Jesus has three formats, the way, the truth and the life. The first two are eternal. The last one was temporal.: 1.) As 'the way' the Lord Jesus operates in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Format. He is the Spirit of Truth. In this format He makes intercession on behalf of each human (according to things in each of their own spirits) with the Holy Ghost. In this format the Lord is 'the way' through which one comes onto God. God is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit. One reaches Holy Spirit only through the Spirit of the Lord Jesus by going through one's own spirit. This is the Spirit format of the Lord. 2.) As 'the Truth', the Lord is precisely what His Spirit has in mind for each person to say and do. This is a perfect amalgam of the ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations in each person's heart or spirit and the ideas in the Holy Ghost. He who search his own heart or spirit come to know precisely what the Spirit of the Lord/Spirit of Truth has in mind for for him or her to say and do. In this format the Lord is each person's 'truth'. He is information/ideas made personalized for each person. This is the Soul format of the Lord. The Soul format of the Lord Jesus is His ideas or information format. 3.) As 'the life', the Lord Jesus was the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man, who walked on earth. In this format the Lord was a live example of a human in Christ on earth. He demonstrated how a human lives 'the life' in Christ. This is the physical/material format of the Lord.

# 3.) is the least of the Lord's three format. In fact one could blaspheme the Lord in this format and one will be forgiven. This is the format of the Lord which those O.T. people denied, persecuted, tortured, blasphemed and crucified 2000 odd years ago. That act is revenge-able but forgivable.

# 1 and 2.) are higher formats or forms of the Lord Jesus.
No. 1.) is the Lord's Spirit (only) form or format),
No. 2.) is the Lord's ideas or soul (only) format.

For the last 2000 odd years, traditional Christians have been denying, persecuting, torturing, blaspheming and crucifying the Lord Jesus in these (# 1. & 2.) forms. Put another way they have been denying, persecuting, torturing, blaspheming and crucifying the Spirit and Soul, 'not seen', forms of the Lord Jesus. This act is not forgivable at any place or time.

The Lord had one past crucifixion (i.e. as a man) and two on going crucifixions (i.e. a Spirit and a Soul). To which crucifixion, do you refer?

[size=+2]*[/size] Fact is the # 3 form of the Lord (the physical form) is also eternal, on a parallel earth. The # 3 form of the Lord is not eternal on this earth. This format was, so far, only temporal on this earth.

 

[Gurucam]

Dialm,

Do you know any one, who calls himself Christian and who has honestly, actually and fully adopted the following:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians: 5 KJV N.T.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

None (no traditional Christian) has recognized the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. They have stayed under the law and actively blasphemed the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. They are not Christians. At best they are glorified Jews. They are simply blaspheming Christianity. They are simply pretending to be Christians. Some of them are spies, actively seeking to return authentic Christians into bondage under the law of sin and punishment in hell.

To esteem the law and claim to be Christian is denial and blasphemy of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

To claim to be Christian and not have dropped the law and embrace the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is denial and blasphemy of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

This is what traditional Christians do.

Then when others point our their folly they make further denial and blaspheming arguments.

They do not wish to be freed from the law of sin and death through the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. However if another person promotes that approach they attempt to undermine that person's effort.

They are dogs in the manger. They do not want to be freed from the law of sin and death through the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus and they do not want anyone else to have that freedom.

They delight in the law, sin and punishment in hell but only if everyone is like them and under the law.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God

Fact is, they and they alone (who esteem the law), are going to be guilty under the law of sin and punishment in hell.

Galatians: 6 KJV N.T.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Those who sow to the law, sin and punishment in hell, will reap according to the law, sin and punishment in hell.

Those who sow according to the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the the law and get no sin but instead be glorified by God. They enter God's kingdom of heaven. There is no hell in this latter approach.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Righteousness of God that is without the law is through the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. They are the "believers".

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

As you know when the very great majority of traditional Christians die on earth, they all expect to be and are, buried in the earth, in hell, with Satan, together with their dead physical bodies. They all seem satisfied with their 'sin and hell' end, with Satan, based on their commitment to the Old system.

The Lord Jesus introduced righteousness of God that is without the law. Traditional Christians ignore and thrown this out. The Lord Jesus has benefited them nothing. They have remained Old people. They falsely call themselves 'Christian'. And falsely present themselves to be Christians.

Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (of the law, sin and punishment in hell):

Once again, from another unrelated revelation in the KJV N.T., this is the instruction for Christians:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter, (so that we will stop bring forth fruits onto death and start bring forth fruits onto God)

 

[Gurucam]

Dialm,

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that [SIZE=+1]believe[/SIZE]: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being [SIZE=+1]justified freely[/SIZE] by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Many false prophets who came in Jesus' name have and promote their own idea of what [SIZE=+1]'believer'[/SIZE] are [SIZE=+1]'justified freely'[/SIZE] to do. Please return to the KJV N.T. Here it is declared as clear as light from the sun:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that [SIZE=+1]'believe'[/SIZE] are justified from all things, from which ye could not be [SIZE=+1]'justified'[/SIZE] by the law of Moses.

Many false prophets who came in Jesus' name are promoting that Christians are under the law. They are false brethren who came among Christians (as spies) to return them to bondage under the law of sin and punishment in hell.

Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (of the law, sin and punishment in hell):

Beware of [size=+1]Lazy afternoon[/size], he is among those false prophets who deny, undermine and blaspheme the mission of the Spirit of the Lord Jesus in favor of the law, sin and punishment in hell. He actively esteems and supports marriages under 'the law, sin and punishment in hell', for all Christians.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans: 4 KJV N.T.
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Sin and punishment in hell came with the law:

Romans: 5 KJV N.T.
13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

[size=+1]Sin and punishment in hell left[/size] when "righteousness of God that without the law", came through the Spirit of the Lord Jesus":

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
21 But now (since 2000 odd years ago) the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

The choice is for each to make.

1.) One can choose the law then one will accrue sin and be punished in hell.

2.) One can choose righteousness of God that is without the law and have God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law and get no sin but instead be glorified by God.

2000 years ago the Lord Jesus died, as a blood sacrifice, for all past sins. He simultaneously introduced righteousness of God that is without the law. This is through His Spirit. From that point, 2000 odd years ago and onward-wards, aspiring Christians and Christians were not to continue under the law, sin and punishment in hell. They were to embrace 'righteousness of God that is without the law' which is through His Spirit. The sad fact is that only the chosen few embrace this New approach. The very great majority of the billion strong traditional Christians continued under a slightly modified version of the Old system which is anchored on the law, sin and punishment in hell. They stumble at that stumbling stone. They err and were not chosen. This is exactly what the Old Jews sought to do to the Lord's New message, 2000 odd years ago. 2000 odd years ago, these Old Jews denied, persecuted, tortured, blasphemed and aided the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus. Jews, Peter & Co and others who esteem the Old law based system seemed to be the false brethren who came in as spies among Christians and return them (Christians) to bondage under the law, sin and punishment in hell. They seemed to have succeeded among the very great majority of those called to be Christians.

Those who continue to esteem the law, sin and punish in hell benefited nothing from the Lord Jesus. In fact they remained under the Old system and will accrue sin and be sent for punishment in hell, inside the earth with Satan. The Spirit of the Lord Jesus will ensure this punishment.

John: 16 KJV N.T.
8 And when he (the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of the Lord Jesus) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

The Spirit of Truth came among those people immediately after the crucifixion and rising to heaven, of the Lord Jesus.

The above revelation confirms that from among those people, "reprove" of those who do not believe the the Lord Jesus, started 2000 odd years ago and continued to this day. This is being done by the Spirit of the Lord Jesus.

 

[Gurucam]

Dialm,

To all readers:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians: 5 KJV N.T.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

The revelations says: "who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit".

This does not mean that one will not do the things of the flesh. It means that one will be led to do all the things of the flesh (sex and all) but only by the urging of spirit.

1.) One can be led to do the things of the flesh solely by urging of the flesh.

2.) One can be led to do the things of the flesh by urging of spirit.

Some people have no choice they cannot rise above 1.). These are 'the dead'.

Other can operate according to 2.). These are the spiritually aware.

'The dead' are so called because they are dead to their spirit. They are also called 'the unawares', because they are not aware of their spirits. They are also described as not having 'the eyes to see', 'the ears to hear' and 'the hearts to understand'. They are also described as having heart that are 'waxed gross'.

'The dead' are also described as having a veil over their hearts. They are also described as 'children of the flesh' and Satan. Being dead to their own spirits 'the dead' cannot have communion with the Spirit of the Lord Jesus. The Spirit of the Lord Jesus can be reached only through one's own heart or spirit. Therefore 'the dead' have no choice they can be led only by their flesh.

In order to control and manage the behavior of the spiritually dead, the law, sin and punishment in hell was given as their schoolmaster. The law is their school master until they become spiritually aware. However when the spiritually dead becomes spiritually aware they must drop the law, sin and punishment in hell.

The instruction to the spiritually aware is very clear. They must drop the law and walk after the spirit.

Walking after the spirit means living according to the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. This means that one must be led into one's works (i.e. one's flesh or other actions) by precisely what the Spirit of the Lord Jesus has in mind for one to say and do as discerned with one's own spirit.

And since these people are led by the Spirit of the Lord Jesus, as discerned in the above manner, they are not under the law. They have God given freedom. liberty and justification to transgress the law and get no sin but instead be glorified by God. They are under grace of God. They are children of God and Christians. They are also saved and delivered into God's kingdom of heaven, here on earth and elsewhere.

The Spirit of the Lord Jesus a perfect amalgam of 1.) the ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations of one's one spirit and 2.) the will of God. God is love therefore the will of God are urgings of love. This means that the essential fabric of the Spirit of the Lord Jesus are urgings of love.

You guys do not want to miss the above which is the essential fabric of the New Testament as recorded clearly in the KJV N.T.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

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Beware of [size=+1]Lazy afternoon[/size], he is among those false prophets who deny, undermine and blaspheme the mission of the Spirit of the Lord Jesus in favor of the law, sin and punishment in hell. He actively esteems and supports marriages under 'the law, sin and punishment in hell', for all Christians.

Typical of all lying Satanists as yourself.

LA

 

[Gurucam]

When the Spirit urges your spouse to move on, it is Satanic to stop him or her.

When the Spirit urges your spouse to move on, it is Satanic to stop him or her.

Typical of all lying Satanists as yourself.

LA

If you do not deny, undermine and blaspheme the mission of the Spirit of the Lord Jesus in favor of the law, sin and punishment in hell.

Then you are o.k.

For the Lord did say that one cannot esteem and/or be under, the law, sin and punishment in hell and also be led by the Spirit of the Lord Jesus:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians: 5 KJV N.T.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Some people like the convenience of the law, sin and punishment in hell (i.e. they invoke and use the law, sin and punishment in hell conveniently) and simultaneously claim that they led by the Spirit of the Lord Jesus.

Some people, 'Hide With the Sheep and Hunt With the Hairs'. Certainly that is not you.

The law is no longer your schoolmaster. You are 'overs' (done with) that. You are now 'in Christ'. Not so?

You and your family members are 'believers', therefore you all (i.e. all of you), have God given justification to transgress the law of sin (Moses' law), right?

You do not pull out and quote the law, sin and punishment in hell, to keep your spouse (and others) 'in line' according to your liking? Do you?

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

The revelation says, all that believe. Do you make your spouse an exception to
all that believe? Do you keep your spouse under the law of sin and punishment in hell, so that you can be comfortable?

Do you deny your spouse that which the Lord Jesus died to let all humans, who believe, have?

Fact is: if the Spirit of the Lord lead a Christian to stay with his or her spouse he or she stays.

If on the other hand the Spirit of the Lord lead a Christian to leave his or her current mate and to be with another mate, well he or she does that instead. A Christian simply obeys. The Spirit of the Lord Jesus always know what is best.

A Christian always obeys the Spirit of the Lord, unconditionally. A Christian recognizes that he or she has infirmities and therefore he or she would not not know what to say and do. However a Christian recognizes that Spirit of the Lord knows what he or she must say and do.

Humans may not agree with the instructions of the Spirit of the Lord. Christian are those who simply obey the Spirit of the Lord Jesus, unconditionally.

The Spirit of the Lord always knows what is right. It could be that in one's current union, only children of the flesh are being brought forth. And this is not pleasing to God. Therefore the Spirit of the Lord is separating one from that old union and guiding one into a new union in which he or she will bring forth only children of God.

Humans tend to believe that they own other humans. Humans tend to believe that they own their spouses. May be that is so under the O.T. system. It is different under the N.T.

It is different for those in Christ. Fact is God owns Christians, for they are children of God. God through the Spirit of the Lord Jesus micro manages the individual lives of His children. From who are their mates to how long one will be with a mate.

Fact is, when passionate love has waned from a union, only children of the flesh are brought forth in that union. This is not at all pleasing to God.

God operating through the Spirit of the Lord Jesus will put an instant stop to that union. In Christianity it is time to dissolve that union and form a new one that is anchored on new and passionate urgings of love. Then one will continue to bring forth only children of God and all other fruits onto God.

This is the high standard and high expectations from those who are called to God's purpose, i.e. those who are in Christ.

At any event, God's purpose for the ordinary Christian is never as extreme as God's purpose for the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Lord Jesus.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to his purpose.

Being led by the Spirit of the Lord, unconditionally, is not at all difficult for an authentic Christian.

It is all about following urgings of love which have arisen and are sustained, naturally and spontaneously, in one's own heart or spirit, for new specific people, things and circumstances in God's creation. This can lead only to bliss and blissful fulfillment.

The Spirit of the Lord are unrgings of love which arises and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within one's own heart or spirit, for specific people thing and circumstances in God's creation.

When it is time to move on to a new union, new urgings of love arises and are sustained for new specific people thing and circumstances in God's creation. To remain under grace of God and a child of God, one must simply form new association and relationships with these new specific people thing and circumstances in God's creation. This defines one's mission in the body of Christ.

This is precisely how the Spirit of the Lord guides a Christian. To attempt to derail or derail one from unconditionally obeying the Spirit of the Lord Jesus is to derail one from one's mission in the body of Christ. This is Satanic.

In fact Peter was clearly identified to be Satan, by the Lord Jesus, when he attempted to derail the Lord from His mission in the body of Christ.

This is the seriousness (Satan-ness) of invoking the law, sin and punishment in hell on one's spouse so as to keep him locked in an old union, when he or she is urged by the Spirit of the Lord to move on to a new union.

Among Christians when passionate love has waned in one's union it means that God has abandon that union. (God is Love.) It is also time for a Christian (a child of God) to abandon that union. It is time to walk away from that union and form new ones according to new passionate love. Christians are children of God. They are led by the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God are urgings of Love.

When humans uphold loveless unions, they are acting through their man or Satanic side. God has no part in such unions. Even if those loveless unions are according to the Ten Commandments, they are totally devoid of God.

If I do not confirm these truths, from the Spirit of the Lord Jesus, who would?

 

[RBBI]

I think you have serious mental problems and need to see a professional immediately. I urge you to seek out a qualified mental health professional in whatever location you are in. Some of it may be chemical imbalances and you need to be tested. Best wishes to you. Peace

 

[Gurucam]

Get on on board now, in these last days, be the last few who are chosen first.

Get on on board now, in these last days, be the last few who are chosen first.

I think you have serious mental problems and need to see a professional immediately. I urge you to seek out a qualified mental health professional in whatever location you are in. Some of it may be chemical imbalances and you need to be tested. Best wishes to you. Peace

:idea: :idea: Have a couple inquires about you.

Is RBBI short for Rabbi of the Jewish tradition?

It is reported that: the law of Jewish Rabbis, for those seeking to live in Israel, is as follow:

One must clearly show one's Jewish heritage through some complicated red tape approach (this is the slow track approach) . . . [size=+2]Or[/size] totally denounce the Lord Jesus (this is the fast track approach).

That is O.K. for them, in their 'land'. They esteem the law, sin and punishment in hell and they will be dealt with under the law, sin and punishment in hell. Everyone knows where they stand. They are forthright about their approach to life (they are not like Lazy afternoon, who is doing the same thing covertly).

However the approach of the Jews is not acceptable outside of their 'land'. Any one doing that among Christians are false prophets who came in Jesus' name. They are false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (i.e. under the law, sin and punishment in hell)

RBBI, Is this your mission on this forum? Are you a false brethren who came in as a spy to return Christians to bondage under the law, sin and punishment in hell?

Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (i.e. under the law, sin and punishment in hell) :

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
21 But now (since 2000 odd years ago) the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Fact is the Jews and their tradition have nothing to do with the Lord Jesus and Christianity. The Jews of Old, denied, persecuted, tortured, blasphemed and actively expedited the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus. The current Jews are no different.

These Jews are the false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (i.e. under the law, sin and punishment in hell) . . . this is the same thing that the Jews of Old sought to do while the Lord walked as a man on earth.

Are you a wolf in sheep's clothing? . . . just asking.

:idea: :idea: On another but related topic:

Seems that Lazy afternoon is far from lazy.

Lazy afternoon is actively "the false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (i.e. under the law, sin and punishment in hell)" . . . don't you agree? Seems that that Lazy afternoon is also doing that unfortunate thing to his or her spouse and children . . . don't you agree?

There is loving persuasion and there is the law, sin and punishment in hell. Loving persuasion is the N.T., Christan way. The law, sin and punishment in hell is the O.T. Jewish way. These are two totally different approaches. Which do you think Lazy afternoon is invoking on his or her spouse, children and other? Did you read Lazy afternoon's posts?

The Lord confirmed very clearly:

Matthews: 10 KJV N.T.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Seems that the Lord is referring to Lazy afternoon's family. Do you think that the Lord came to put a sword of separation between people in Lazy afternoon's household?

Do you thing that the foe of Lazy afternoon's spouse and children, is in their own household? Do you think that this foe is Lazy afternoon?

Is Lazy afternoon using threats and 'fists', to keep her spouse and children under the law, sin and punishment in hell, instead of leaving them to be led by Spirit of the Lord Jesus under righteousness of God that is without the law, sin and punishment in hell?

This is indeed a very serious affair. Think not that I am jesting. I am asking the hard questions, before too late is the cry.

The time to awaken to one's foolish ways is now. And be grateful for being awakened.

Gratitude is another thing that one must actively experience, in order to be saved and delivered into God's kingdom of heaven.

If you esteem the law, sin and punishment in hell, for what can you be grateful? . . . Can you and will you be grateful for going for punishment in hell ? For, indeed, all who are under the law, sin. That is a dead end.

My post are centered on and promotes, righteousness of God that is with out the law, sin and punishment in hell. Please embrace my posts and be grateful for them.

. . . . And you will be home free with salvation and deliverance into God's kingdom of heaven, very soon.

Do not chastise me and/or call me unsubstantiated names and descriptions, for simply posting the revelations of the Lord Jesus as they clearly and literally appear in the KJV N.T.

It is very clear that the very great majority of the billion strong traditional Christians have been dragged up (not brought up) on false and corrupted versions of Christianity.

Thank God for these post, which are purifying what corruptly passed for Christianity for millenniums. My post are truth (i.e. authentic Christianity) in the fullness of time. Simply get on board with my posts. Then you can be among the last few who actually get truth (i.e. authentic Christianity), in these last days. Then you will not err and you will be chosen first. You will indeed be 'the last who shall be first'. You will be the last among the chosen few.

My work here provides a last chance for a few people in the billion strong traditional Christianity to be saved and chosen for God's kingdom of heaven, here on earth and elsewhere.

Matthew: 20 KJV N.T.
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

 

[Gurucam]

Dear, RBBI and Lazy afternoon:

Mark: 12 KJV N.T.
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Note that:

1.) Rising to heaven is not the same as rising out of the earth, like Lazarus.

Rising to heaven is for Christians (those who follow the Lord Jesus). Rising out of the earth (like Lazarus) is for 'the dead'. These are directly linked to:

Matthews: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Rising to heaven is linked to:

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
1. Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

Mark: 12 verse: 25 of the KJV N.T. is linked to being 'in Christ' when one dies on earth.

When one becomes an actual Christian (not as make believe one) during one's life time, one differs in no way from the Lord Jesus Christ (except that Jesus is Lord of all). When a Christian dies on earth he or she rises in three days, like the Lord Jesus, to be like an angel in heaven.

The above is how one follows the Lord Jesus in the 'regeneration'.

Matthews: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Matthews: 19 KJV N.T.
27 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Following the Lord Jesus is not linked to the dead burying their dead to wait indefinitely on the Lord Jesus to return, as practiced by the billion in traditional Christianity. Following the Lord Jesus is linked to following him in the regeneration. The regeneration is linked to the regeneration of the Spirit of the Lord Jesus when he sank into the earth. Then He rose to spirit heaven in that Spirit body.

At any event, if one wants to follow the Lord Jesus, He is not in the depths of earth which is hell, with Satan. The Lord Jesus is in spirit heaven seated on the right side of the Holy Spirit. If one want to follow the Lord Jesus one must not only do what the Lord did, i.e. rise in three days to be like an angel in heaven. One must also rise in three days to be with the Lord Jesus, who is in spirit heaven.

Traditional Christians (billions), endorse and practice the ideas of being buried in the earth together with one's dead physical body, to wait indefinitely on the return of the Lord Jesus, who is then, supposed to shout out to one to rise out of the earth, like Lazarus. This is the path which 'the dead' takes. Christians do not take this path.

Christians, when they die on earth, rise in three days, like the Lord Jesus Christ, to be like angels in heaven. They literally follow the Lord to spirit heaven, in three days, in the same manner as the Lord Himself, went to spirit heaven.

Through which path did you put your dead family members, relatives, friends and others? Through which path are you planing to go?

It is time to face the music of your practice.

John: 14 KJV N.T.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

One cannot be a believer in the Lord Jesus if one does not totally, sincerely and/or other wise believe that a believer is justified to transgress the Ten Commandments.

Also if one who believes in the Lord Jesus cannot 'see' the following:
1.) cannot 'see' oneself differing in no way from the Lord Jesus Christ (except that He is Lord of All) and
2.) cannot 'see' oneself, upon death on earth, rising to spirit heaven, in three days, like the Lord Jesus.

Then how can one perceive that one, who believes in the Lord Jesus, can do the works that Jesus did and also do greater works than the Lord?

How indeed, my foolish one? Is there any wonder left, as to why, many are called and few chosen, from among the billion strong traditional Christians.

You must be honest. I have not given you a few half-baked ideas that is only partially supported by revelations from the KJV N.T. I have provided very many and varied literal revelations from the KJV N.T. which absolutely support my posts.

 

[freelight]

The law of God remains.....and universal laws in their various domains.....

The law of God remains.....and universal laws in their various domains.....

That is O.K. for them, in their 'land'. They esteem the law, sin and punishment in hell and they will be dealt with under the law, sin and punishment in hell. Everyone knows where they stand. They are forthright about their approach to life (they are not like Lazy afternoon, who is doing the same thing covertly).

One of the problems there is that Jews don't believe in a concept of 'hell' as traditional Christianity has created, but all souls go to 'Sheol', which is the common grave, the underworld. Whether an afterlife exists or a resurrection of some kind varies among different branches within Judaism. There is no 'lake of eternal hellfire' and brimstone, neither necessarily souls being 'eternally tormented' or punished by a deity.

However the approach of the Jews is not acceptable outside of their 'land'. Any one doing that among Christians are false prophets who came in Jesus' name. They are false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage i.e. under the law, sin and punishment in hell

I see you putting your own 'spin' on Pauline terminology, but do NOTE.....that the 'new covenant' is where the Spirit of God is living, inspiring and doing the works of God in and thru us, in our new heart and spirit, so the 'law' is NOT done away with, it is fulfilled in us, because its inner ethic and dynamic is activated in us by God himself. To say the law (universal/eternal laws) are done away with, would be to give license to any kind of 'sin', since there is no longer a 'standard' whereby actions could be judged as 'lawful', or wrong actions to be judged as 'sin' (which is merely a transgression of law).

Remember the term 'Antinomianism'? - the word comes from root compound that means "anti law".

We might note that sin by definition is 'trangression' against law. It has consequences, which is death. Obedience to law allows one to be in harmony/concert with the spirit of life, its positive movement, its progressive nature. Anything that transgresses law is 'sin' (it promotes death/disintegration/retardation). The law or 'universal law' is not done away with, nor can it be...since these laws uphold all creation, maintain and govern actions and conditions, whether these foster life or death,....cosmic law remains.

Now when I speak of 'law' here, I do not necessarily mean the compendium of traditional laws given by Moses to the Jews, but any law that is truly a 'law of God/Nature/Cosmos', a universal law, moral and ethical principle, laws that govern all of nature, human relations and so forth. So my definition of 'law' may be more all-inclusive or far-reaching, as described in Theosophy.

Therefore I don't see lumping up 'law, sin, punishment, hell' as necessarily all tied together, since different meanings may apply to these terms and in different contexts. A 'righteous' person is one who abides faithfully to the laws of God/Nature/Cosmos....and what we call 'sin' is some kind of transgression of a particular law. In the 'New Age' of the Spirit,....Spirit inspires and empowers one to keep universal law, to uphold divine laws and live the will of God. Since God is love, love is the supreme law, so its precepts and principles ever hold, so that in love there is no fear, and no sin, since love is the fulfilling of the law. So you see,...it all comes back to universal law, which cannot be abrogated or dismissed.

 

[freelight]

My post are centered on and promotes, righteousness of God that is with out the law, sin and punishment in hell. Please embrace my posts and be grateful for them.

. . . . And you will be home free with salvation and deliverance into God's kingdom of heaven, very soon.

Do not chastise me and/or call me unsubstantiated names and descriptions, for simply posting the revelations of the Lord Jesus as they clearly and literally appear in the KJV N.T.

It is very clear that the very great majority of the billion strong traditional Christians have been dragged up (not brought up) on false and corrupted versions of Christianity.

Thank God for these post, which are purifying what corruptly passed for Christianity for millenniums. My post are truth (i.e. authentic Christianity) in the fullness of time. Simply get on board with my posts. Then you can be among the last few who actually get truth (i.e. authentic Christianity), in these last days. Then you will not err and you will be chosen first. You will indeed be 'the last who shall be first'. You will be the last among the chosen few.

My work here provides a last chance for a few people in the billion strong traditional Christianity to be saved and chosen for God's kingdom of heaven, here on earth and elsewhere.

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A little bit of religious-egoity showing there?

Well,...I guess Paul had a few moments in this category as well.....

 

[dialm]

Nonsense gurucam

We have broken the law and the law has the right to us. This is the explanation of physical death. You are going to die just like the rest of us because just like the rest of us you have broken the law. That is final.

But Jesus is unique in that He never broke the law. Now the table is turned. The law is the lawbreaker. Now it must die.

 

[dialm]

But the law cannot die because it is an inanimate object.

Instead

The container that the law has been placed in must die. We must die in order to rid ourselves of the law.

But the problem is that of timing.

We must die before the container dies. If we wait until the container dies then we will be trapped in the dead container with the law for all eternity.

 

[Gurucam]

One of the problems there is that Jews don't believe in a concept of 'hell' as traditional Christianity has created, but all souls go to 'Sheol', which is the common grave, the underworld. Whether an afterlife exists or a resurrection of some kind varies among different branches within Judaism. There is no 'lake of eternal hellfire' and brimstone, neither necessarily souls being 'eternally tormented' or punished by a deity.

The Christian teaching, is that: any which way, inside the earth is hell.

When a Christian dies, he rises in three days to be like an angel in heaven.

As far as a Christian (i.e. one of the chosen few) is concerned, when one dies, if one does not rise in three days to be like and angel in heaven, one goes to hell, period. There are only three realms: 1.) heaven (freedom in space and time, and traveling to planets), 2.) the surface of earth and 3.) hell (inside earth).

Fact is it seems that hell has different areas. However, for the chosen few Christians it is all hell.

Whether one is together in a common grave or not, if one is inside the earth, one is in hell.

If you do not believe that inside the earth is hell, then you may just have to be refreshed from a personal experience.

It does not matter what the Jews believe, their beliefs are for them.

What matters is what do you believe or better what do you know from the Spirit of the Lord Jesus? Can you confess anything with your heart?

 

[Interplanner]

Curious takes there, Guru.

Any which way? Are you referring to various places in the earth being hell or various ways of arriving there?

Where do you get the idea that there is a three day point into death when certain things take place? That's about Christ only. For people now, the next moment after death is the time of judgement and being sent on to where that judgement takes you.

Finally, your definition of Christian just lost all ground because you are saying some of them are sent to hell, too.

 

[Gurucam]

Curious takes there, Guru.

Any which way? Are you referring to various places in the earth being hell or various ways of arriving there?

Where do you get the idea that there is a three day point into death when certain things take place? That's about Christ only. For people now, the next moment after death is the time of judgement and being sent on to where that judgement takes you.

Finally, your definition of Christian just lost all ground because you are saying some of them are sent to hell, too.

I have explained that extensively with scores of backing-up literal revelations from the KJV N.T.
Click here:

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113578

Anyway: Are you a Christian? Do you believe that you differ in no way from the Lord Jesus Christ, except that He is the Lord of All?

Fact is Christians differs in no way from the Lord Jesus Christ, with respect to all things (except that He is Lord of all). When Christians die on earth, they rise in three day, like the Lord Jesus Christ, to be like angels in heaven. However there have never been more than a few actual Christians. Many were and are called but only a few were or are chosen. Billions do not make it. Billions who believe that they are Christians are not Christians. They have all been misled by false prophets who came in Jesus' name. They err and were not chosen.

Fact is, only a few got and/or knew the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. They did not err and only they were chosen. When they died on earth, they were not buried in the earth together with their dead physical bodies to wait indefinitely. When they died on earth they rose, in three days, like the Lord Jesus, to be like angels in heaven.

Only the dead bury their dead counterparts in the earth, with their dead physical bodies, in hell, with Satan, to wait indefinitely on the return of the Lord Jesus. Some are already in the earth for over 2000 odd years. Fact is the very great majority of the billion strong traditional Christians are the dead who bury their dead.

My posts and threads are about inviting people to follow the Lord Jesus, according to literal and straight revelations from the KJV N.T..

The Lord left the following two choices:

Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

There is only one way to follow the Lord Jesus.

1.) One must do as the Lord did. When one dies on earth, one must rise to heaven in three days, as the Lord did. One must follow what the Lord did.

2.) Also to follow the Lord one must literally follow Him to spirit heaven. The Lord went to spirit heaven one has to follow Him to spirit heaven.

1.) and 2.) are how one follows the Lord Jesus.

One cannot be buried, with one's physical body, in the earth, in hell with Satan, to wait indefinitely. This is how 'the dead bury their dead'. This is not how one follows the Lord.

Oh foolish one: Is the Lord Jesus in the earth? Is God's kingdom of heaven in the earth?

The Lord Jesus is in spirit heaven and so is God's kingdom of heaven.

Why would any one believe that being buried inside the earth (for an indefinite stay) has anything to do with God's kingdom of heaven, Jesus and/or heaven?

Some people spent 60 to 70 years (if so much) on the surface of earth and they are already over 2000 odd years in the earth, in hell, with Satan? What kind of exchange is that?

2000 odd years ago, the Lord confirmed very clearly that the God's kingdom of heaven, is close at hand. That is not inside the earth.

Billions of aspiring Christians were misled and suckered by Satan operatives, so as to be recruited for Satan and hell.

Christians differs in no way from the Lord Jesus, except in only one thing, which is, Jesus is Lord of all:

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
4 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

John: 14 KJV N.T.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

If one does not believe that one can do things, at least equal to the Lord Jesus Christ, then it is clear that one does not believe in the Lord Jesus. And one is not Christian. Indeed one is a foolish and lost person.

 

[Gurucam]

All verses in the KJV N.T. are literally correct and valid.

All verses in the KJV N.T. are literally correct and valid.

Transferred from another thread.

Are you saying Gal 3:23--4:7 does not exist or is not 'accepted'? Even Hebrews says it is about elementary things that were 'types' or 'shadows' not the reality itself.

All verses in the KJV N.T. are literally correct and valid.

However, in order to get a feel for your forthrightness, I asked (in post # 89 not in this thread) that you responded to the following rather simple and straight forward question:

1.) You said: 'You apparently missed the part where Paul tells you that the Law is your "schoolmaster" to lead you to Messiah,'

I responded: Paul said no such thing.

(This a serious challenge. You seem to be making up your own scriptures and falsely ascribing it to Paul and Christianity. Please let us clear up this simple point as an example of your forthrightness. I am on record admitting my mistake and apologizing for same.

Would you at least offer the same by responding to my question properly.)

This a literal quote, from the KJV N.T., of what is ascribed to Paul and Christianity:

Galatians 3 KJV N.T.
24. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

'bring one onto Christ' is a state, not a messiah. This to be 'in Christ' or to be a Christian. This is to be a child of God. This fact is supported (backed-up) by:

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

This particular revelation is not about finding a messiah. This is about being a child of God or a Christian.

Also being 'justified by faith' is a justification not a messiah.

This justification is confirmed simply and clearly in the following:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

This is confirmed and supported by:

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Again 'after faith comes' is a state. 'After faith comes' is an actualization. It means after one has become a child of God or a Christian.

The revelation is clearly about throwing away the law when one becomes a 'child of God or a Christian. One is redeemed from the curse of the law by being in Christ, i.e. by being a child of God or a Christian.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Before we go further (into all those other, very valid, revelations), I asked: Are we good with the above? Are we in agreement with the few things stated in this post?

1.) Is a Christian one who believes in the Lord Jesus?
2.) Is the revelation (Galatians: 3 verses 23 to 29 KJV N.T.) about throwing away the law when one becomes a Christian?

. . . bearing in mind that, "after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster and that we are now justified by faith and this justification is as follows:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

I perceive that you are beaten (with simple, clear and literal KJV N.T. revelations) before you start, i.e. if you hold and promote the Satanic Antichrist idea that Christians are under the law.

Do you promote the Satanic Antichrist idea that Christians are under the law? If your answer is yes. Are you going to continue promoting that Satanic Antichrist proper-gander?

2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty

(i.e. one has liberty based on justification to transgress the law and one will get no sin but instead be glorified by God. This is the clear Christian position, as confirmed simply and literally by KJV N.T revelations.).

If you do not clear up exactly where you stand on the above issue, it is pointless (not at all expedient) to go further. I will not engage you in pointless argument, nor would I encourage you to promote Satanic Antichrist proper-gander, in the name of Christianity.

Galatians: 5 KJV N.T.
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Oh promoter of the law do you not hear and know the curse of the law:

James: 2 KJV N.T.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

However the law applies only to those who choose to esteem and promote the law and so, put themselves under the law.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Since 2000 odd years ago there is another option:

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
21 But now (since 2000 odd years ago) the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Clearly only false prophets who came in Jesus name, other Satanic operatives and very foolish people, esteem, promote and remain under the law.

Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

These false brethren are people who esteem the law and want to return Christians to bondage under the law. The following confirms the liberty which Christians have and the bondage to which these false prophet want to return Christians.

Galatians: 5 KJV N.T.
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Quoted here are so many KJV N.T. revelations which clearly and literally confirm the dangers of the law and the cure that is the law. Also these revelations also confirm that Christians have God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law and get no sin but instead be glorified by God.

. . . and there are more revelations in the KJV N.T. which literally support these conclusions.

 

[Gurucam]

Interplanner must face life as defined by the law, sin and punishment in hell.

Interplanner must face life as defined by the law, sin and punishment in hell.

:idea: :idea: [size=+1]Interplanner[/size]

After you said: "You apparently missed the part where Paul tells you that the Law is your "schoolmaster" to lead you to Messiah". You asked: "is it okay with you if I say Messiah instead of Christ? or will that send me plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell also?"

There are three possible scenarios with respect to your question. They are all bad.

1.) With respect to "plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell" I cannot do any such thing to you. You should know this fact very clearly. It is not a joking matter.

However because you esteem the law, you will accrue sin and earn punishment. And before or after death, punishment for sin is done in hell. So you do the Maths.

"plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell" result from accruing sin under the law. Fact is if one is entangled with the law in any way, one is also entangled with sin and punishment in hell.

Hell is inside the earth and this is were all sin and punishment for transgressing the law (sin) occurs, after death. Therefore one who esteem the law, when he dies on earth, is also inevitably entangled with sin and hell inside the earth, with Satan. You can be guided accordingly.

Therefore "plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell" results from one own (self imposed) entanglement (with the law) and nothing else. It is a personal choice, because (since 2000 odd years ago) righteousness of God without the law also exists simultaneously, for one's choosing.

Therefore you are not obliged to esteem and/or be under the law, sin and punishment. In fact you are free to totally drop the law.

You should be aware that entanglement is a scientifically validated Quantum physics term. One cannot be separated from one's entanglement. One's entanglement is one's belief system including what one confesses with one's mouth. Entanglement is the basis of:

Galatians: 6 KJV N.T.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

i.e. he who esteems the law, will be judged according to the law . . . and inevitably (whether before dead or after death) there is sin and punishment in hell in this approach.

On the other hand, He who is led by the Spirit of the Lord Jesus have God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law and get no sin and no hell . . . but instead be glorified by God and enter God's kingdom of heaven, here on earth and in the spirit realm . . . and so be it.

The above is only a small part of your possible predicament.

2.) Fact is even more supportive of anyone "plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell" (which relates only to those who esteem the law) are one's own immediate family members, relatives, friends and associates.

When those who esteem the law, sin and punishment die on earth, they are usually buried by their immediate family members, relatives, friends and associates inside the earth, in hell with Satan, together with their dead physical bodies, to wait indefinitely for the return of the Lord Jesus.

You would be aware that some such dead, 'law esteeming' people are inside the earth, in hell with Satan for over 2000 years. 2000 odd years in hell is punishment by it self. However punishment in hell with Satan for 2000 odd years, certainly seems to be an exchange for 60 to 70 years of a sinful life on earth. Is this the exchange rate? What you think? Do you think that it is longer?

The sad fact is those who esteem the law, inevitably sin. Then when they die on earth, they are willingly dispatched by their immediate family members, relatives, friends and associates inside the earth, in hell with Satan, together with their dead physical bodies. Clearly they all accept that those under the law must go to hell for an indefinite period. If you are among this grouping, well so be it. I am in no way connect to your guys.

3.) Additionally there is another very serious dimension to your question which is: . . . "is it okay with you if I say Messiah instead of Christ? or will that send me plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell also?".

Your question can and must be also rendered as follows: "What happens to an unawares, false brethren, who came in as a spy among Christians so as to seek to return them to bondage under the law, sin and punishment in hell?"

Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

The following revelations confirm precisely what is the liberty which we have in Christ Jesus and what is the bondage: to which these false prophets seek to return Christians:

Galatians: 5 KJV N.T.
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Clearly then when an unawares, false brethren comes in as a spy among Christians so as to seek to return them to bondage under the law, sin and punishment in hell, this is not simply a ordinary sin. This is denial and blasphemy of the Spirit:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
1 There is therefore now (since 2000 odd years ago) no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Blasphemy of the Spirit is not forgivable at any place or time:

Matthews: 12 KJV N.T.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

This means that under this transgression (i.e. # 3.) there is serious terminal problems for those unawares, false brethren who came in as spies among Christians so as to seek to return them to bondage under the law, sin and punishment in hell.

Among other places, this serious transgression will impact them where they are buried, i.e. inside the earth, with their dead physical body in hell with Satan, waiting indefinitely on the return of the Lord Jesus.

They have done the only act that is not forgivable at any place or time.

They will inevitably and simply be left inside the earth in hell with Satan. The Lord Jesus will not be returning to 'shout' them out of the earth.

 

[Gurucam]

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

1.) The above clearly confirm that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God

The just shall live by faith. What is faith:

Hebrews 11:1King James Version (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

The curse of the law:

James: 2 KJV N.T.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans: 4 KJV N.T.
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Galatians: 5 KJV N.T.
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

The salvation:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Why would anyone want to continue to esteem the law when it is a curse and there is another option which is to live by faith?

2.) verse: 22 confirms further that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe

What is 'the faith of Jesus Christ'? This refers to the the Lord Jesus' belief in His (not seen) Spirit.

What is the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe? This refers to a promise that: one might get the faith which the Lord Jesus had when one believe.

Since this relates to faith, then this must be stated as follows: the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe in the 'not seen' Spirit which led the Lord Jesus. This is the Spirit of Truth or the Spirit of the Lord Jesus.

The verses also said: "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith". The justification referred to here relates to "we are no longer under the schoolmaster" which is the law. We are no longer under the law. It is also related to being justified by belief in the 'not seen' Spirit of the Lord Jesus. The justification is confirmed in:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

 

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και κατεβησαν προς αυτον και προσηυξατο ελισαιε προς κυριον και ειπεν παταξον δη τουτο το εθνος αορασια και επαταξεν αυτους αορασια κατα το ρημα ελισαιε

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Originally Posted by Interplanner
Are you saying Gal 3:23--4:7 does not exist or is not 'accepted'? Even Hebrews says it is about elementary things that were 'types' or 'shadows' not the reality itself.

All verses in the KJV N.T. are literally correct and valid.

However, in order to get a feel for your forthrightness, I asked (in post # 89 not in this thread) that you responded to the following rather simple and straight forward question:

1.) You said: 'You apparently missed the part where Paul tells you that the Law is your "schoolmaster" to lead you to Messiah,'

I responded: Paul said no such thing.

(This a serious challenge. You seem to be making up your own scriptures and falsely ascribing it to Paul and Christianity. Please let us clear up this simple point as an example of your forthrightness. I am on record admitting my mistake and apologizing for same.

Would you at least offer the same by responding to my question properly.)

This a literal quote, from the KJV N.T., of what is ascribed to Paul and Christianity:


'bring one onto Christ' is a state, not a messiah. This to be 'in Christ' or to be a Christian. This is to be a child of God. This fact is supported (backed-up) by:
This particular revelation is not about finding a messiah. This is about being a child of God or a Christian.

Also being 'justified by faith' is a justification not a messiah.

This justification is confirmed simply and clearly in the following:

This is confirmed and supported by:

Again 'after faith comes' is a state. 'After faith comes' is an actualization. It means after one has become a child of God or a Christian.

The revelation is clearly about throwing away the law when one becomes a 'child of God or a Christian. One is redeemed from the curse of the law by being in Christ, i.e. by being a child of God or a Christian.

Before we go further (into all those other, very valid, revelations), I asked: Are we good with the above? Are we in agreement with the few things stated in this post?

1.) Is a Christian one who believes in the Lord Jesus?
2.) Is the revelation (Galatians: 3 verses 23 to 29 KJV N.T.) about throwing away the law when one becomes a Christian?

. . . bearing in mind that, "after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster and that we are now justified by faith and this justification is as follows:


I perceive that you are beaten (with simple, clear and literal KJV N.T. revelations) before you start, i.e. if you hold and promote the Satanic Antichrist idea that Christians are under the law.

Do you promote the Satanic Antichrist idea that Christians are under the law? If your answer is yes. Are you going to continue promoting that Satanic Antichrist proper-gander?



If you do not clear up exactly where you stand on the above issue, it is pointless (not at all expedient) to go further. I will not engage you in pointless argument, nor would I encourage you to promote Satanic Antichrist proper-gander, in the name of Christianity.

Oh promoter of the law do you not hear and know the curse of the law:


However the law applies only to those who choose to esteem and promote the law and so, put themselves under the law.

Since 2000 odd years ago there is another option:

Clearly only false prophets who came in Jesus name, other Satanic operatives and very foolish people, esteem, promote and remain under the law.

These false brethren are people who esteem the law and want to return Christians to bondage under the law. The following confirms the liberty which Christians have and the bondage to which these false prophet want to return Christians.


Quoted here are so many KJV N.T. revelations which clearly and literally confirm the dangers of the law and the cure that is the law. Also these revelations also confirm that Christians have God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law and get no sin but instead be glorified by God.

. . . and there are more revelations in the KJV N.T. which literally support these conclusions.

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After you said: "You apparently missed the part where Paul tells you that the Law is your "schoolmaster" to lead you to Messiah". You asked: "is it okay with you if I say Messiah instead of Christ? or will that send me plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell also?"

There are three possible scenarios with respect to your question. They are all bad.

1.) With respect to "plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell" I cannot do any such thing to you. You should know this fact very clearly. It is not a joking matter.

However because you esteem the law, you will accrue sin and earn punishment. And before or after death, punishment for sin is done in hell. So you do the Maths.

"plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell" result from accruing sin under the law. Fact is if one is entangled with the law in any way, one is also entangled with sin and punishment in hell.

Hell is inside the earth and this is were all sin and punishment for transgressing the law (sin) occurs, after death. Therefore one who esteem the law, when he dies on earth, is also inevitably entangled with sin and hell inside the earth, with Satan. You can be guided accordingly.

Therefore "plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell" results from one own (self imposed) entanglement (with the law) and nothing else. It is a personal choice, because (since 2000 odd years ago) righteousness of God without the law also exists simultaneously, for one's choosing.

Therefore you are not obliged to esteem and/or be under the law, sin and punishment. In fact you are free to totally drop the law.

You should be aware that entanglement is a scientifically validated Quantum physics term. One cannot be separated from one's entanglement. One's entanglement is one's belief system including what one confesses with one's mouth. Entanglement is the basis of:

The above is only a small part of your possible predicament.

2.) Fact is even more supportive of anyone "plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell" (which relates only to those who esteem the law) are one's own immediate family members, relatives, friends and associates.

When those who esteem the law, sin and punishment die on earth, they are usually buried by their immediate family members, relatives, friends and associates inside the earth, in hell with Satan, together with their dead physical bodies, to wait indefinitely for the return of the Lord Jesus.

You would be aware that some such dead, 'law esteeming' people are inside the earth, in hell with Satan for over 2000 years. 2000 odd years in hell is punishment by it self. However punishment in hell with Satan for 2000 odd years, certainly seems to be an exchange for 60 to 70 years of a sinful life on earth. Is this the exchange rate? What you think? Do you think that it is longer?

The sad fact is those who esteem the law, inevitably sin. Then when they die on earth, they are willingly dispatched by their immediate family members, relatives, friends and associates inside the earth, in hell with Satan, together with their dead physical bodies. Clearly they all accept that those under the law must go to hell for an indefinite period. If you are among this grouping, well so be it. I am in no way connect to your guys.

3.) Additionally there is another very serious dimension to your question which is: . . . "is it okay with you if I say Messiah instead of Christ? or will that send me plummeting into the gaping jaws of hell also?".

Your question can and must be also rendered as follows: "What happens to an unawares, false brethren, who came in as a spy among Christians so as to seek to return them to bondage under the law, sin and punishment in hell?"

The following revelations confirm precisely what is the liberty which we have in Christ Jesus and what is the bondage: to which these false prophets seek to return Christians:

Clearly then when an unawares, false brethren comes in as a spy among Christians so as to seek to return them to bondage under the law, sin and punishment in hell, this is not simply a ordinary sin. This is denial and blasphemy of the Spirit:

Blasphemy of the Spirit is not forgivable at any place or time:

This means that under this transgression (i.e. # 3.) there is serious terminal problems for those unawares, false brethren who came in as spies among Christians so as to seek to return them to bondage under the law, sin and punishment in hell.

Among other places, this serious transgression will impact them where they are buried, i.e. inside the earth, with their dead physical body in hell with Satan, waiting indefinitely on the return of the Lord Jesus.

They have done the only act that is not forgivable at any place or time.

They will inevitably and simply be left inside the earth in hell with Satan. The Lord Jesus will not be returning to 'shout' them out of the earth.

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