How safe are vaccines?

marke

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Here are some examples of past problems with vaccines:

2. Historical events

In the era of modern medicine, some of the first concerns about vaccines causing death date to isolated, but high profile past vaccine safety incidents. The “Cutter Incident” in 1955 involved a flaw in the Salk polio vaccine manufacturing process at Cutter Laboratories that led to production of substantial amounts of what was thought to be inactivated vaccine that contained live poliovirus. The result has been called “…one of the worst pharmaceutical disasters in US history”[11], with 40,000 cases of polio resulting in 51 cases of permanent paralysis and five deaths among vaccinated individuals, and 113 cases of paralysis and five deaths among contacts of vaccinated individuals [11,12]. As a result of the Cutter Incident, the US government implemented much more vigilant monitoring and regulation of the vaccine industry [13]. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) now requires extensive testing to evaluate the safety and efficacy of vaccines prior to licensure. After licensure, FDA requires ongoing lot-release testing and manufacturing facility inspections. Additionally, manufacturers are required to conduct post-licensure safety monitoring for their products and report to the FDA [14,15].

In 1976, concerns in the United States about a possible influenza pandemic involving a virus similar to the deadly 1918 pandemic strain resulted in a large-scale vaccination program for the entire country. Approximately 45 million people were vaccinated in 10 weeks with what became known as the “swine flu vaccine” [16]. The US government abruptly stopped the vaccination program when no swine flu cases were detected outside the military base where the disease originated and when an unexpectedly high number of cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome were reported in vaccinated individuals. The vaccine was estimated to have caused approximately one Guillain-Barré syndrome case per 100,000 persons vaccinated [17], resulting in 53 deaths [18]. As a result of the association between the 1976 swine flu vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome, this condition is closely monitored every influenza season as part of the influenza vaccine safety monitoring in the United States.
 

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Few people know that new prescription drugs have a 1 in 5 chance of causing serious reactions after they have been approved. That is why expert physicians recommend not taking new drugs for at least five years unless patients have first tried better-established options, and have the need to do so.

Few know that systematic reviews of hospital charts found that even properly prescribed drugs (aside from misprescribing, overdosing, or self-prescribing) cause about 1.9 million hospitalizations a year. Another 840,000 hospitalized patients are given drugs that cause serious adverse reactions for a total of 2.74 million serious adverse drug reactions. About 128,000 people die from drugs prescribed to them. This makes prescription drugs a major health risk, ranking 4th with stroke as a leading cause of death. The European Commission estimates that adverse reactions from prescription drugs cause 200,000 deaths; so together, about 328,000 patients in the U.S. and Europe die from prescription drugs each year. The FDA does not acknowledge these facts and instead gathers a small fraction of the cases.

 

marke

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Here are some examples of past problems with vaccines:

2. Historical events

In the era of modern medicine, some of the first concerns about vaccines causing death date to isolated, but high profile past vaccine safety incidents. The “Cutter Incident” in 1955 involved a flaw in the Salk polio vaccine manufacturing process at Cutter Laboratories that led to production of substantial amounts of what was thought to be inactivated vaccine that contained live poliovirus. The result has been called “…one of the worst pharmaceutical disasters in US history”[11], with 40,000 cases of polio resulting in 51 cases of permanent paralysis and five deaths among vaccinated individuals, and 113 cases of paralysis and five deaths among contacts of vaccinated individuals [11,12]. As a result of the Cutter Incident, the US government implemented much more vigilant monitoring and regulation of the vaccine industry [13]. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) now requires extensive testing to evaluate the safety and efficacy of vaccines prior to licensure. After licensure, FDA requires ongoing lot-release testing and manufacturing facility inspections. Additionally, manufacturers are required to conduct post-licensure safety monitoring for their products and report to the FDA [14,15].

In 1976, concerns in the United States about a possible influenza pandemic involving a virus similar to the deadly 1918 pandemic strain resulted in a large-scale vaccination program for the entire country. Approximately 45 million people were vaccinated in 10 weeks with what became known as the “swine flu vaccine” [16]. The US government abruptly stopped the vaccination program when no swine flu cases were detected outside the military base where the disease originated and when an unexpectedly high number of cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome were reported in vaccinated individuals. The vaccine was estimated to have caused approximately one Guillain-Barré syndrome case per 100,000 persons vaccinated [17], resulting in 53 deaths [18]. As a result of the association between the 1976 swine flu vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome, this condition is closely monitored every influenza season as part of the influenza vaccine safety monitoring in the United States.
How safe are the covid vaccines? According to VAERS, there have been over 700,000 reports of adverse reactions to the vaccine in 2021. Those odds make it a crime for politicians and bosses to mandate people under their care and/or control take the covid vaccine.

 

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How safe are the covid vaccines? According to VAERS, there have been over 700,000 reports of adverse reactions to the vaccine in 2021. Those odds make it a crime for politicians and bosses to mandate people under their care and/or control take the covid vaccine.
The question you are unwilling to consider is, "How many adverse reactions and deaths from COVID-19 have the vaccines prevented?"
 

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So for you... if the vaccine prevents 100 deaths but causes 99, you'd be OK with it?
If the risk/reward ratio were that close to a washout, it would hardly be worth doing. But I'm sure you're disappointed that the actual numbers are nowhere near that washout ratio. The unfortunate fact for you is that the vaccines are far more effective at preventing covid hospitalizations and deaths than they are at causing injuries/deaths by themselves.
 

Derf

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If the risk/reward ratio were that close to a washout, it would hardly be worth doing.
But you would consider it at the 99:100 ratio?
the vaccines are far more effective at preventing covid hospitalizations and deaths than they are at causing injuries/deaths by themselves.
Short term, maybe, though it seems to be very short term, if at all. @marke’s examples were ones that showed a willingness to halt voluntary vaccination programs. This administration is not halting even the mandatory programs (pogroms?) based on a higher incidence and lower effectivity rates, but instead doubling down and looking at requiring boosters before a full assessment is possible.
 

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But you would consider it at the 99:100 ratio?
Honestly, a moron would ask that question but no one else would.
This administration is not halting even the mandatory programs (pogroms?) based on a higher incidence and lower effectivity rates, but instead doubling down and looking at requiring boosters before a full assessment is possible.
Honestly, a moron would compare vaccination programs to "pogroms" but no one else would.
 

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The questions go together. I’m willing to be called a moron if it gets people thinking, but apparently that’s not happening.
If you want people to think, then ask intelligent questions rather than moronic ones.
 

ok doser

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But you would consider it at the 99:100 ratio?

Short term, maybe, though it seems to be very short term, if at all. @marke’s examples were ones that showed a willingness to halt voluntary vaccination programs. This administration is not halting even the mandatory programs (pogroms?) based on a higher incidence and lower effectivity rates, but instead doubling down and looking at requiring boosters before a full assessment is possible.
Imagine being in a coma for the past two years, otherwise fit and healthy, and you wake up and discover that you are expected to take a vaccine that doesn't work, for a disease that doesn't threaten you. And the main arguing point of the idiots who want you to take this ineffective vaccine (and risk the growing list of negative side effects) is that it will magically protect others.

You would be justified in believing that the global IQ had dropped 30 points.
 

marke

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The question you are unwilling to consider is, "How many adverse reactions and deaths from COVID-19 have the vaccines prevented?"
I know how many deaths biased proponents of the vaccine, including 'used car' vaccine salesmen in the employ of the pharmaceutical companies claim have been prevented by the vaccine, but nobody can prove their numbers are accurate. What can be proven is that thousands of children who likely would have never gotten covid with or without the vaccine have been adversely affected by the vaccine.

It does not take a genius to see the odds are not in favor of kids taking the vaccine, and, I might add, neither are they in favor of most people taking the vaccine who would likely never have gotten infected or seriously hurt by covid.

Therefore, everyone should be free to take whatever risk he is willing to take with or without the vaccine without pressure from his political leaders.
 

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Imagine being in a coma for the past two years, otherwise fit and healthy, and you wake up and discover that you are expected to take a vaccine that doesn't work, for a disease that doesn't threaten you. And the main arguing point of the idiots who want you to take this ineffective vaccine (and risk the growing list of negative side effects) is that it will magically protect others.

You would be justified in believing that the global IQ had dropped 30 points.
1) Someone waking up out of a 2-year coma would definitely be at high risk of being hit hard by covid.
2) If the vaccines don't work, then why are the majority of people who are being hospitalized and dying of COVID-19 unvaccinated?
3) Based on points 1) and 2) above, I would be justified in believing that your IQ has dropped 30 points, but I never thought your IQ was high to begin with.
 

Derf

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Imagine being in a coma for the past two years, otherwise fit and healthy, and you wake up and discover that you are expected to take a vaccine that doesn't work, for a disease that doesn't threaten you. And the main arguing point of the idiots who want you to take this ineffective vaccine (and risk the growing list of negative side effects) is that it will magically protect others.

You would be justified in believing that the global IQ had dropped 30 points.
And then they call you the moron.
 

Bradley D

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Are you in poor health? Do you have any conditions, other than just your age, that puts you at an elevated risk?
Are you a physical doctor? Even if one survives covid 19 illness they can experience lingering side effects, such as memory loss, reduced attention and an inability to think straight. Also multiorgan effects can affect most, if not all, body systems, including heart, lung, kidney, skin, and brain functions.
 
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