How Jesus Justifies the Ungodly, Romans 4:5.

[eider]

"Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

...... so all the guidance, entreatires, requests, rules, laws and commands writ large in the New Testament, the Divine words of your God given to the Christian Apostles, Prophets and teachers are just superficial .... really?

 

[Robert Pate]

You teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost! You deny that Christ death alone saved them He died for!

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Jesus has provided salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. But only those who receive him and his Gospel will be saved, John 1:12.

 

[beloved57]

Jesus has provided salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. But only those who receive him and his Gospel will be saved, John 1:12.

If you deny that Christ death saved them He died for, you deny that Christ is the Saviour!

 

[Robert Pate]

If you deny that Christ death saved them He died for, you deny that Christ is the Saviour!

You are having a problem with dyslexia again.

The scripture says that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, therefore salvation has been provided for EVERYONE, 1 John 2:2.

When you read the scripture do you see it backwords?

 

[Robert Pate]

...... so all the guidance, entreatires, requests, rules, laws and commands writ large in the New Testament, the Divine words of your God given to the Christian Apostles, Prophets and teachers are just superficial .... really?

You think that Romans 10:13 is superficial?

 

[Epoisses]

If you deny that Christ death saved them He died for, you deny that Christ is the Saviour!

You deny Christ as the savior of the world and reject the writings of John. Anyone who has to re-define the word world to fit their delusion is deluded.

 

[beloved57]

You are having a problem with dyslexia again.

The scripture says that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, therefore salvation has been provided for EVERYONE, 1 John 2:2.

When you read the scripture do you see it backwords?

You have a problem with denying that Christ death alone saved sinners. You teach that Christ death was ineffectual!

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[Robert Pate]

You have a problem with denying that Christ death alone saved sinners. You teach that Christ death was ineffectual!

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And you are the "Chief of All Liars".

 

[jamie]

You think that Romans 10:13 is superficial?

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Romans 10:13)​

When did men begin calling on the name of the Lord?

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. (Genesis 4:26)​

 

[Robert Pate]

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Romans 10:13)​

When did men begin calling on the name of the Lord?

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. (Genesis 4:26)​

Romans 10:13 is a quote from Joel 2:32.

 

[beloved57]

And you are the "Chief of All Liars".

Dont you believe and teach that sinners Christ died for, shed His Blood for are still lost ? Yes or No

 

[Nanja]

You deny Christ as the savior of the world and reject the writings of John. Anyone who has to re-define the word world to fit their delusion is deluded.

False and unlearned accusation!


The word "world' is defined in the scriptures.

It's the word "kosmos" which simply means:

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2889&t=KJV

The scriptures speak of two different worlds.

An Eternally Forgiven World:

2 Cor. 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The same World that the Lamb of God takes away their sins John 1:29, which God Loved and gave His only begotten Son for John 3:16!


And there's a condemned world:

1 Cor. 11:32
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

This ungodly world was NOT part of the World that God Loved John 3:16:

2 Pet. 2:5
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly:

A world which shall not believe on Christ because it was already condemned:

John 3:18, 36
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

[BTW- The only Believing / Faith that pleases God is a fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22 given in New Birth, because those in the flesh [carnal] cannot please God Rom. 8:8; neither can he receive the things of God 1 Cor. 2:14.]

There's a A World Christ does not pray for, and a World Christ does pray for:

John 17:21
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

The World Christ prayed for consists of the Elect World given Him of the Father Eph. 1:4-5.

But the world Christ does not pray for consists of the non-elect, the reprobate world He did not die for.


Thus there is enmity between these two worlds: The Seed of Christ Gal. 3:16 and the Seed of the devil / serpent Gen. 3:15.

Gal. 4:28-29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[Robert Pate]

False and unlearned accusation!


The word "world' is defined in the scriptures.

It's the word "kosmos" which simply means:

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2889&t=KJV

The scriptures speak of two different worlds.

An Eternally Forgiven World:

2 Cor. 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The same World that the Lamb of God takes away their sins John 1:29, which God Loved and gave His only begotten Son for John 3:16!


And there's a condemned world:

1 Cor. 11:32
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

This ungodly world was NOT part of the World that God Loved John 3:16:

2 Pet. 2:5
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly:

A world which shall not believe on Christ because it was already condemned:

John 3:18, 36
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

[BTW- The only Believing / Faith that pleases God is a fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22 given in New Birth, because those in the flesh [carnal] cannot please God Rom. 8:8; neither can he receive the things of God 1 Cor. 2:14.]

There's a A World Christ does not pray for, and a World Christ does pray for:

John 17:21
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

The World Christ prayed for consists of the Elect World given Him of the Father Eph. 1:4-5.

But the world Christ does not pray for consists of the non-elect, the reprobate world He did not die for.


Thus there is enmity between these two worlds: The Seed of Christ Gal. 3:16 and the Seed of the devil / serpent Gen. 3:15.

Gal. 4:28-29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Your nuttier than a fruit cake.

What about the world that God so loved that he gave his only begotten Son for? John 3:16.

How do you sleep at night knowing that you are in conflict with God's word?

You are either going to commit suicide or wind up in the nut house.

 

[Nanja]

What about the world that God so loved that he gave his only begotten Son for? John 3:16.

The World that God Loved and gave His only begotten Son for is the World that the Father had Chosen in union with Christ His Son to be Holy and without blame before Him in Love Eph. 1:4. An Eternally Forgiven World:

2 Cor. 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The same World that the Lamb of God takes away their sins John 1:29, a collection of particulars https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2889&t=KJV which God Loved and gave His only begotten Son for John 3:16!

 

[Robert Pate]

The World that God Loved and gave His only begotten Son for is the World that the Father had Chosen in union with Christ His Son to be Holy and without blame before Him in Love Eph. 1:4. An Eternally Forgiven World:

2 Cor. 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The same World that the Lamb of God takes away their sins John 1:29, a collection of particulars https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2889&t=KJV which God Loved and gave His only begotten Son for John 3:16!

You are in denial of the Gospel and justification by faith.

You will not be saved without the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Nanja]

You are in denial of the Gospel and justification by faith.

You will not be saved without the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Your understanding of the scriptures' True meaning of what being Justified by Faith means Rom. 5:1 is darkened Eph. 4:18.

It's not the faith or belief in the mind of a natural man, that's salvation by works Eph. 2:8-9 that cannot please God:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2041&t=KJV&ss=1

Rom. 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

And neither can the natural man receive the things of the Spirit of God 1 Cor. 2:14!


So what does this verse mean ?:

Rom. 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

The Faith that Justifies is the Faith of Christ: His Faithfulness, His Obedience on behalf of all the Elect in Him Eph. 1:4 He died for. It's by His Obedience in His Life and Death on their behalf Rom. 5:19 that they are made Righteous / Justified, so making peace with God Rom. 5:9.

So then, when each one of the Elect are born in time, at some point in their life they shall be born again / Born of the Spirit and given Faith which is a fruit Gal. 5:22 and gift Eph. 2:8 of the Spirit setting forth an awesome confirmation to them that they were chosen In Union with Christ before the foundation to be Sons of the Living God Eph. 1:4-5!

Rom. 8:14-17

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.


And this is the Gospel of the Eternal Grace Given in Christ, which Justified all the Election of Grace chosen In Union with Him before the World began:

2 Tim. 1:8-9

8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

 

[Robert Pate]

Your understanding of the scriptures' True meaning of what being Justified by Faith means Rom. 5:1 is darkened Eph. 4:18.

It's not the faith or belief in the mind of a natural man, that's salvation by works Eph. 2:8-9 that cannot please God:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2041&t=KJV&ss=1

Rom. 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

And neither can the natural man receive the things of the Spirit of God 1 Cor. 2:14!


So what does this verse mean ?:

Rom. 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

The Faith that Justifies is the Faith of Christ: His Faithfulness, His Obedience on behalf of all the Elect in Him Eph. 1:4 He died for. It's by His Obedience in His Life and Death on their behalf Rom. 5:19 that they are made Righteous / Justified, so making peace with God Rom. 5:9.

So then, when each one of the Elect are born in time, at some point in their life they shall be born again / Born of the Spirit and given Faith which is a fruit Gal. 5:22 and gift Eph. 2:8 of the Spirit setting forth an awesome confirmation to them that they were chosen In Union with Christ before the foundation to be Sons of the Living God Eph. 1:4-5!

Rom. 8:14-17

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.


And this is the Gospel of the Eternal Grace Given in Christ, which Justified all the Election of Grace chosen In Union with Him before the World began:

2 Tim. 1:8-9

8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

I understand all of the scriptures that you quoted. They all apply to me WHO IS NOT A CALVINIST.

You try to mix Christianity with Calvinism. It doesn't mix.

There is no Gospel in Calvinism. Your Gospel is that you have been predestinated. That is not the Gospel that is in the Bible, that is a false Gospel. The Gospel that is in the Bible is about how Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

 

[Nanja]

I understand all of the scriptures that you quoted. They all apply to me WHO IS NOT A CALVINIST.

You try to mix Christianity with Calvinism. It doesn't mix.

There is no Gospel in Calvinism. Your Gospel is that you have been predestinated. That is not the Gospel that is in the Bible, that is a false Gospel. The Gospel that is in the Bible is about how Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

Wrong.

2 Tim. 1:9 does not apply to anyone who has not been saved and called before the world began.

And the World Christ reconciled to God are reconciled while they were enemies and unbelievers:

Rom. 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

But some people are enemies and unbelievers and remain under God's Wrath and condemnation John 3:18, 36.

So by this, we can assuredly know that they were NOT part of the World that Christ died for and reconciled to God while enemies.


Nanja

And this is the Gospel of the Eternal Grace Given in Christ, which Justified all the Election of Grace chosen In Union with Him before the World began:

2 Tim. 1:8-9

8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

 

[Robert Pate]

Wrong.

2 Tim. 1:9 does not apply to anyone who has not been saved and called before the world began.

And the World Christ reconciled to God are reconciled while they were enemies and unbelievers:

Rom. 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

But some people are enemies and unbelievers and remain under God's Wrath and condemnation John 3:18, 36.

So by this, we can assuredly know that they were NOT part of the World that Christ died for and reconciled to God while enemies.


Nanja

Your Calvinist god is not the god of the Bible.

The God of the Bible, "So loves the world that he gives his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

Your Calvinist god hates the world and predestinates billions to eternal damnation for no reason. He is unjust, unmerciful and unrighteous.

It is not humanly possible to have saving faith in this kind of a god. Unless you repent and trust in the true God of the Bible you will perish.

 

[Nanja]

Your Calvinist god is not the god of the Bible.

The God of the Bible, "So loves the world that he gives his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

Your Calvinist god hates the world and predestinates billions to eternal damnation for no reason. He is unjust, unmerciful and unrighteous.

It is not humanly possible to have saving faith in this kind of a god. Unless you repent and trust in the true God of the Bible you will perish.

According to the scriptures 2 Tim. 3:16, God created a World of people, His Vessels of Wrath, the reprobates, the Seed of the serpent, for the sole purpose of destroying / condemning them Rom. 9:20-22; Jude 1:4; Prov. 16:4; John 3:18, 36; Mat. 25:41.

Yet on the other hand, God created another World of People, His Vessels of Mercy He has Chosen in Christ to be their Surety Saviour Heb. 7:22 from Everlasting; to be holy and without blame before Him in Love John 3:16, to an Eternal Inheritance Eph. 1:4-11; Rom. 8:17.

This was God's Purpose in Election Rom. 9:11!

Job 23:13-14
13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. 14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

The created thing dare not question Creator God Rom. 9:20!