But he [Paul] said, “I am not mad, most noble Festus, but speak the words of truth and reason. Acts 26:25
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But he [Paul] said, “I am not mad, most noble Festus, but speak the words of truth and reason. Acts 26:25
Well its not as if the two gospels are polar opposites of each other. Calvary clearly plays an important roll in both gospels.
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
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Saying what you said before didn't make that so and saying this doesn't make this so either!
Do you know how to make an argument?
Do you understand the difference between making an argument and making an assertion?
When you make such comments do you expect that you'll convince anyone based solely on the fact that you said it? If not, why bother? Where exactly do you think you are and what do you think you're doing?
I seriously do not understand why anyone would be willing to waste the time this website takes out of your life if all they are going to do is post one liners.
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You have made enough of them to convince me to not to say more than necessary to make my point.
turbosixx
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Wrong question.
No one denies the existence of good works in the Christian life.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
The difference is in the Dispensation of Law the works were required and salvation came after, as a result, in part of those works. In the Dispensation of Grace, the works come after and as a result of salvation.
In the dispensation of grace, you are righteous therefore you do good works.
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
I Corinthians 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
II Corinthians 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Galatians 3: 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
I Corinthians 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
II Corinthians 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Galatians 3: 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
In the Dispensation of Law you are righteous IF you do righteousness.
John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
John15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
I John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
John15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
I John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Resting in Him,
Clete
P.S. I'll have to respond to your other posts later!
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Christ is the mediator of the new covenant through his death and blood.
Heb. 9:15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16 For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. 17 For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives. 18 Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood.
The priesthood changed and so did the law.
Heb. 7:11 Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.
If I continue to ask you to make an argument and you continue to refuse, what should I assume? That you can't make the argument, perhaps? :think:
I can tell you that that is precisely what I think; that it isn't that you won't make the argument but that you can't.
See even Paul isn't MAD
I'm clearly quoting the verse to make a sort of play on words and turn the M.A.D. label that people here have stuck us with into a compliment rather than a pejorative.
So, while I was being light hearted with my quote, I'm pretty sure that you were alluding to the same meaning of "mad" that Paul uses in the verse. I can assure you that we are very definitely not mad and that this doctrine is born directly out of a very stringent adherence to sound reason and the plain reading of Scripture. A point I don't think you doubt really. Otherwise, you'd make no attempt to see it. Whether you'll accept it once you do (I have faith that you will) is another issue but you'd not even make the effort to see it if you really thought it was an exercise in insanity.
God bless! I'll respond to your other posts as soon as time allows.
Resting in Him,
Clete
That doesn't change anything about when the New Covenant was to take place. And as you can plainly read, it hadn't taken place at Pentecost. The author was not there, he was told by others (the 12) and believes.
And this is why there isn't a MAD hand book as some claim because I don't agree with him on this one point. Not that we shouldn't do good. We should because it is the right thing to do. But that is all I have to say about that rabbit trail.
You don't agree with who? Who's the "him" you're referring to?
I agree with that, being a good person in which which works are done comes naturally. Good works are a natural result of being Christian. Nothing more.
Tell Gros.
So you believe men did work their way to Heaven before the cross.
The Bible disagrees with you.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
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Some here, one in particular claims we just follow two people I never heard of before he mentioned them. That was the point I was making. I came to the conclusions I did by reading the Bible, specifically Paul and wondering why that was always skipped in Catholic mass and Assembly of God services.
Good works are not evidence of a Christian life. Lets save that for another thread.
This needs to be a different thread.