God's Truth
New member
You are calling the words of God 'stupid'.
Honor God's Son or Perish
- Thread starter Robert Pate
- Start date
You are calling the words of God 'stupid'.
Where does it say that Gentiles were excluded from the Gospel?
Paul spent over 20 years of his life and traveled over 10,000 miles taking the Gospel to the Gentiles and you want us to believe that the Gentiles were excluded because they didn't do works?
When are you going to learn that works and obedience will not justify. The only thing that justifies is faith. You never read Paul's epistles, if you did you would know that.
God's Truth
New member
Where did I say that?
The Gentiles were EXCLUDED from God and were without Him and Christ because they did not come into the old covenant.
Ephesians 2:12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.
You do the same thing with the scriptures as you do with God's written Word. You make up things and are in no way careful.
You misunderstand Paul You also ignore and deny all those MANY MANY MANY scriptures where Paul tells us to obey.
Paul's purpose in encouraging Christians to be obedient was not so they would be saved. The purpose was so that they would be effective witnesses for Christ and his Gospel.
God's Truth
New member
Deal with what I said and what you falsely accused me of saying.
Address the scriptures that say the Gentiles were excluded, enemies, and unclean because they didn't get circumcised and do the other ceremonial works to atone for their sins and render them not dead in sin.
Is that why Paul spent over 20 years of his life and traveled over 10,000 miles taking the Gospel to those nasty Gentiles?
God's Truth
New member
Those Gentiles had to repent of their sins.
Jesus cleans us, he is the Way, you have to do what the Way says or you will stay nasty.
We are justified by faith. Repentance is the results of faith, not the cause of it.
"So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.
God's Truth
New member
You don't get justified by faith unless you repent.
What in Hell do people not get about repenting of their sins and faith that Jesus' blood cleans them of those sins---that they REPENTED OF DOING.
Repentance is a work, works don't justify. The only thing that justifies is faith.
"Now to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that justifies the UNGODLY, HIS FAITH is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.
You just can't figure that one out can you? The reason is that you don't believe the Gospel.
Faith is a natural human attribute that we are all born with. That same faith that we are born with is first manifested by faith in our parents and then faith in our loved ones. When we hear the Gospel our faith is directed towards Jesus. Romans 10:17.
God's Truth
New member
Have you? Yes or no.
God's Truth
New member
You are half Calvinist and you don't see it.
Paul is speaking about not being justified by doing all the purification works.
The scriptures say faith alone is dead and to repent of sins.
God's Truth
New member
Faith is a work, but alone, it is a dead work that cannot save.
Many false denominations came from that misunderstanding about faith and not works.
The faith alone group are in competition with the Calvinists on who obeys God the least, and both these groups teach that the one who obeys the least wins access into salvation.
Mark 9:23
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe,
all things are possible to him that believeth.
True or false?