Honor God's Son or Perish

[God's Truth]

There is only one law, the law of Moses.

You don't keep it. You don't even come close.

In the judgment you will be judged according to it.

You are badly mistaken. You deny the law of Christ, see 1 Corinthians 9:21, and Galatians 6:2.

 

[Cruciform]

Still waiting for Pate's answer to the content of Post #32 above.

 

[daqq]

The Gospel Is a declaration by God that his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15 and that he is now, "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

Because of the victorious work of Christ, God has exalted Jesus and has given him a name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father, Philippians 2:9, 10, 11.

Calvinism, Catholicism, Religion, does not honor God's Son, as a matter of fact these religions dishonor God's Son and in doing so dishonor God.

Calvinist do not believe that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world. They dishonor God's Son and bring judgment upon themselves. Catholics do not believe that Jesus has defeated sin, death and the devil. Catholicism is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ. They dishonor God and his Son Jesus Christ. They also are under the judgment of God

We honor God's Son by believing and having faith in him. It is not Jesus Christ plus your religion. It is Jesus Christ plus nothing. In the judgment many will try to present their religion to Christ as a means of salvation. "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, didn't we...? Matthew 7:21-23. Didn't we join the Catholic church? Didn't we embrace Calvinism? Didn't we speak in tongues? Didn't we go to church? Didn't we?, Didn't we?, Didn't we,? They thought that salvation was all about them. They did not honor God's Son by believing and trusting in him and they perished.

The highlighted portions are simply not true. The passage referenced says nothing about going to church or joining various organizations but rather that many will claim the various things which they each individually did in the name of Messiah. You cannot exclude certain organizations or churchs just because their doctrines do not align with your own and then damn them to hell or say that the wrath of God abides upon them because they disagree with you, (well, I suppose you can do that but you are only fooling yourself and pointing fingers so as to justify yourself). Everyone who claims to be a disciple of Yeshua is under the same stern warning and precaution as delivered in that passage. And as for honoring the Son, just as we honor the Father, this necessarily requires believing and obeying the Testimony of Yeshua and not just blind faith in a confession of what you think his testimony is supposed to mean through the lenses of an overall doctrine of man. Do you indeed honor the Word of the Father and the Word of His Son? The Father says you shall have no other Elohim before Him, (Exodus 20:2-3) and the Son also says you shall worship YHWH your Elohim and Him alone shall you serve, (Matthew 4:10) and likewise the Son also says, "My Father is greater than I". Do you honor these words of the Son in your doctrine? Do you say the Father and the Son are equal even though Yeshua says that his Father is greater he is? If your doctrine does not align with the full Testimony of Yeshua, and you know of such statements yet ignore them, then you do not honor him because you do not honor his words. Doing the Testimony of the Son is the only way to honor him, and that is to apply his words to every facet of our own lifestyle and doctrine, and that is the work we are to do as for works, (is that so difficult no one can do it?). But since you freely admit in other posts in this thread that you cannot obey the Master Teacher then it appears you only honor him by lipservice-confession and not with actually believing what he has said and working his Testimony into your doctrine, walk, life, and actions-deeds.

 

[Stuu]

honor God's Son

I'll take 'perish', thanks.

It's the only moral option.

Stuart

 

[chair]

To deny that Jesus is the savior of the world, is to sentence yourself to the lake of fire.

Nah.

 

[Robert Pate]

The highlighted portions are simply not true. The passage referenced says nothing about going to church or joining various organizations but rather that many will claim the various things which they each individually did in the name of Messiah. You cannot exclude certain organizations or churchs just because their doctrines do not align with your own and then damn them to hell or say that the wrath of God abides upon them because they disagree with you, (well, I suppose you can do that but you are only fooling yourself and pointing fingers so as to justify yourself). Everyone who claims to be a disciple of Yeshua is under the same stern warning and precaution as delivered in that passage. And as for honoring the Son, just as we honor the Father, this necessarily requires believing and obeying the Testimony of Yeshua and not just blind faith in a confession of what you think his testimony is supposed to mean through the lenses of an overall doctrine of man. Do you indeed honor the Word of the Father and the Word of His Son? The Father says you shall have no other Elohim before Him, (Exodus 20:2-3) and the Son also says you shall worship YHWH your Elohim and Him alone shall you serve, (Matthew 4:10) and likewise the Son also says, "My Father is greater than I". Do you honor these words of the Son in your doctrine? Do you say the Father and the Son are equal even though Yeshua says that his Father is greater he is? If your doctrine does not align with the full Testimony of Yeshua, and you know of such statements yet ignore them, then you do not honor him because you do not honor his words. Doing the Testimony of the Son is the only way to honor him, and that is to apply his words to every facet of our own lifestyle and doctrine, and that is the work we are to do as for works, (is that so difficult no one can do it?). But since you freely admit in other posts in this thread that you cannot obey the Master Teacher then it appears you only honor him by lipservice-confession and not with actually believing what he has said and working his Testimony into your doctrine, walk, life, and actions-deeds.

Todays organized church is anti-Christ.

You will not hear that the Gospel justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5, nor will you hear that Jesus has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

No one can keep the commandments or the law because the law is spiritual, Romans 7:14. It searches the desires and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12.

Are all of your thoughts pure and without sin? Of course not, because you are a sinner, just like Paul said you were, Romans 3:23.

if you are to be saved salvation must come to you totally and completely outside of yourself. It has in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not come into the world to show you the way. Jesus came into the world to be the way, John 14:6.

Give up your religion and trust in Christ alone.

 

[daqq]

Todays organized church is anti-Christ.

You will not hear that the Gospel justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5, nor will you hear that Jesus has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

No one can keep the commandments or the law because the law is spiritual, Romans 7:14. It searches the desires and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12.

Are all of your thoughts pure and without sin? Of course not, because you are a sinner, just like Paul said you were, Romans 3:23.

if you are to be saved salvation must come to you totally and completely outside of yourself. It has in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not come into the world to show you the way. Jesus came into the world to be the way, John 14:6.

Give up your religion and trust in Christ alone.

Give up my religion?
I just told you my "religion" is the Testimony of Yeshua.
Sorry no deal . . . :chuckle:

 

[Robert Pate]

Give up my religion?
I just told you my "religion" is the Testimony of Yeshua.
Sorry no deal . . . :chuckle:

Your testimony is that you are lost and need a savior.

Who is Yeshua?

 

[God's Truth]

Todays organized church is anti-Christ.

You will not hear that the Gospel justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5, nor will you hear that Jesus has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

No one can keep the commandments or the law because the law is spiritual, Romans 7:14. It searches the desires and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12.

Are all of your thoughts pure and without sin? Of course not, because you are a sinner, just like Paul said you were, Romans 3:23.

if you are to be saved salvation must come to you totally and completely outside of yourself. It has in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not come into the world to show you the way. Jesus came into the world to be the way, John 14:6.

Give up your religion and trust in Christ alone.

You hinder people from being saved.

Jesus says obey.

You say no we cannot.

 

[daqq]

Your testimony is that you are lost and need a savior.

Who is Yeshua?

When and where did I say any such thing? How can you judge someone as "lost and in need of a savior" when the same person just told you that he honors and upholds the Testimony of the Savior whom you also claim to know and follow? Apparently you interpret the testimony of others in the same manner in which you interpret the Testimony of Yeshua, that is, to your own benefit. Your testimony therefore reveals that you neither believe nor honor the Testimony of Yeshua because if you did you would honor his words and that would especially be true when it comes to judging the "salvation" of others whom you have never met:

Matthew 7:1-5
1. Judge not, that you be not judged.
2. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3. And why do you behold the mote that is in your brother's eye but consider not the beam that is in your own eye?
4. Or how will you say to your brother, "Let me pull the mote out of your eye", and behold, a beam is in your own eye?
5. You hypocrite, first cast out the beam from your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the mote from your brother's eye.

Matthew 7:12
12. Therefore all things whatsoever you would have that men should do unto you, do you even so unto them: for this is the Torah and the Prophets.

And apparently neither have you met the speaker of the above words. :chuckle:

 

[beloved57]

You hinder people from being saved.

Jesus says obey.

You say no we cannot.

Whats so ironic is that both of you teach salvation by works, by what a man does ! You say by obeying, he says by calling upon the name of the lord Rom 10:13, both are things the person does !

 

[God's Truth]

Whats so ironic is that both of you teach salvation by works, by what a man does ! You say by obeying, he says by calling upon the name of the lord Rom 10:13, both are things the person does !

You confuse no ceremonial works with no obey.

How could you ever fall for not having to obey to be saved?

 

[beloved57]

You confuse no ceremonial works with no obey.

How could you ever fall for not having to obey to be saved?

Both of you teach salvation by works, by what a person does! I teach salvation by what Christ alone has done Rom 5:19