glorydaz
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We only await the redemption of our body.
Holiness Theology and the Gospel
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We only await the redemption of our body.
Epoisses
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Glorydaz thinks she's a righteous woman because she has been faithfully attending church for 40 years. The sinners are out in the streets, there could never be any sinners in the church - that would be unthinkable.
What about Romans 3:23?
"For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God" or the 7th chapter of Romans and Paul's struggle with sin.
glorydaz
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Gosh, I hate to burst your fantasy bubble, but you couldn't be farther from the truth. :chuckle:
glorydaz
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He's right, we do all fall short of the glory of God (we always will), and all who live long enough to know the difference between right and wrong do eventually choose wrongly and sin. In Romans 7, Paul is speaking as one under the law, and how sin uses the law against us. He wasn't saying he was "carnal" and "sold under sin" anymore...just that he was before he was freed from the law of sin and death by the Spirit of LIFE in Christ.
We are no longer sinners in bondage to the law, but saints delivered from it. We are no longer under the Law but under Grace....thus our liberty in Christ Jesus.
What about it?
In Romans 7:14 clearly states that Paul is speaking from the position of a carnal person, not a son of God.
There were no chapter breaks in Paul's original letter and Paul's discussion continues into the next break.
In chapter eight Paul makes clear that he complies with the Spirit's law, the rod of iron.
Jesus Christ will rule the world with this rod of iron.
When Paul wrote Romans 7:14 he was a Christian. You can't figure out how someone can be a sinner and still be saved. That's because you don't understand the Gospel and justification by faith.
"But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.
Christians are sinners and saints at the same time.
As long as we are in these Adamic bodies we will be subject to the law. But we know that we have been delivered from the law.
A temple of God cannot be a receptacle for sin.
The Spirit doesn't save people in sin but from sin.
Yes, man's law, nature's law, and the Spirit's law.
The trinity of law.
Don't drive impaired, it's against the law.
I don't know about that. Are you saying a Christian should not provide food, clothing and shelter for his family?
What's wrong with that?
When the Bible talks about works it is usually a work of the law or a religious thing.
There are many religious people that are trying to be justified by the works of the law. A work of the law is any religious thing that one might do. The law does not save or justify. This is why Paul said,
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20.
This is simply another way of saying salvation is by grace.
Many on TOL already know that. Tell us something we don't know.
The reason that we are not justified by the law is because we are justified by Christ, Romans 3:26. Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5.
Who justifies the godly?
We are all ungodly, Romans 3:10.
"then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment"
If you are not found to be "In Christ" in the judgment you will perish. To be "In Christ" means that you are trusting in his righteousness and in his atonement for your sins. You are not there because you are trusting in your righteousness. Your righteousness is filthy rags in God's sight, Isaiah 64:6.
glorydaz
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I can't agree with you on that, Robert. That would be like being half dead and half alive or half saved.
As long as we are in these Adamic bodies we are sinners, saved sinners. We have not received glorification yet. We are still in the groaning stage, Romans 8:22-25.