Balder
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Hindu Prayer Interrupted in US Senate
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Are you 5 years old?
Balder
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No, I am not saying it is okay to believe whatever you want as long as you're sincere. At least, I'm not saying that "sincerity of belief" is the deciding religious virtue. In a society which honors freedom of religion, it does basically come down to allowing people to believe whatever they want (as long as it does not harm others). But spiritually, I support a more universalist perspective because I believe the contemplative traditions of multiple religions give testimony to the discovery of the same essential spiritual ground. The exoteric "skins" of religion are very different, and also often relatively shallow.
That won't work. Hindu's are tolerant and allow people to believe whatever they like.
Lazy bums.
Balder
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Sometimes right, sometimes wrong. What's your point? If you think I belong to the "mere relativist" camp, and that I think that there is no basis at all for truth claims other than personal taste and cultural fashion, then you're barking up the wrong tree. That's not what I believe. I believe there are universal truths. I just happen to believe that the idea that "all other religions are false and wrong, and there is no way to be saved other than by believing in Jesus Christ" is not one of them.
Your thinking is wrong when you make statements like, "I think those who say, "ours is the only way and the only truth," are wrong".
What have you got against the possibility that someone may be right and won't abide falsity just because you don't have a firm grasp on what you believe.
The atheists should be just as upset as the Christians about this matter, but they're not. They'd rather make fun of us Christians for not being 'tolerant'.
It appears that the atheists are the biggest hypocrites of all for not being equally condemning of the Hindus for practicing faith in a government setting.
It appears that the atheists are the biggest hypocrites of all for not being equally condemning of the Hindus for practicing faith in a government setting.
Balder
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I do have a clear, firm grasp of what I believe. And I believe that Christian exclusivism and the assumption that Christianity is superior in all regards are both wrong ideas.
Nineveh
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I found a vid out on the net on this topic. I read some of the comments left. It appears most of the commenters forgot a few things. Firstly, that the men who founded this nation gave glory to a specific God who granted the rights we have, and the deity wasn't from the hindu pantheon. Secondly, that the "freedom of religion" isn't the only right in the 1st amendment, there is also a freedom of speech. And lastly, that no one was forcing any sort of religion on this hindu fellow. He is free to be a pagan if he likes.
It appears pagans like to forget it's "Christianity" that has allowed the freedom to be a pagan they now enjoy.
It appears pagans like to forget it's "Christianity" that has allowed the freedom to be a pagan they now enjoy.
Often history's proven we have freedom and liberty despite of religion, certainly not because of it.
Balder
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Weren't many of the founding fathers were Deists? And I believe some expressed outright dislike for the Bible.
If many of the people here at TOL were in charge of setting up the country, the rights and freedoms that were given then would not have been given, I feel certain.
I do agree that the Christian protestors were within their rights as citizens. They can complain as loudly as they want. The question is, should the Hindu have been allowed to lead prayer in the Senate?
If many of the people here at TOL were in charge of setting up the country, the rights and freedoms that were given then would not have been given, I feel certain.
I do agree that the Christian protestors were within their rights as citizens. They can complain as loudly as they want. The question is, should the Hindu have been allowed to lead prayer in the Senate?
Nineveh
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American history? Surely you know hindus didn't found America, nor was the glory given to one of their gods.
Oh. So it's only when christians assert that they are right that you get upset...
Nineveh
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Five total. Three of which changed their minds later in life. The last two were Jefferson and Franklin. The jury is still out on Franklin though.
And I feel you are as accurate in this assessment as you are of our founding father's beliefs.
No. Honoring a foreign god who did not grant us our rights is a silly thing to do. Why would you want to? What exactly are you honoring a pagan deity for? Your own personal religion? So what? That's a bit close minded.
Even the pagans should honor the God our founders gave glory to for the rights we have. What's the problem with that? Afraid they will burn in hell for idolatry or something?
Bottom line? There is a law that works to assure equal rights for all religions, that says we shall neither establish religion nor oppress it. Those anti-American (and incidentally anti-Christ, since they attempted to impose their religious preferences by force) demonstrators who attempted to violate the law and Christian principles, are indeed the idiots.
Nineveh
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I missed that part of the story, when did someone use force to impose religion?
Edit: I wanted to note that force was used to quell the freedom of speech in this instance.
The very first commandment. I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me. The U.S. Senate in its chambers, for the first time ever, has set other gods, before the God of the Bible. As a government body, that represents our nation, it has bowed its head to a Baal, to seek protection and blessing for our country.
Are there 7 thousand government servants, either elected or appointed, who have not bowed their knees to another god, in the name of diversity and pluralism, for the sake of the safety and security of their job and livelihood?
I do know, that the God of the Bible is a jealous God. If you want to bring down this country, by having Him turn His back on us, as we have turned our government's back to Him, this is a very effective way to do it. This Hindu prayer was actually an attempt to "curse" this nation and not to "bless" it.
This is the type of thing Balak hired Balaam to do. The Muslims are rejoicing at this Hindu prayer. Just as they rejoice over our abortion "non-laws", our adultery non laws, and our homosexual non laws. All of these things together and more, set us up for a removal of protection, and a greater curse, to our families and our lives.
The atheists have not a clue what is happening to this nation in the spiritual realm. This is how nations decline and fall. They fall under pluralistic and permissive attacks from the enemy of life, generated in the "air" around us.
I agree with the prayer of the believer........... "Lord Jesus forgive us." Shed your love abroad, and in our hearts.
Are there 7 thousand government servants, either elected or appointed, who have not bowed their knees to another god, in the name of diversity and pluralism, for the sake of the safety and security of their job and livelihood?
I do know, that the God of the Bible is a jealous God. If you want to bring down this country, by having Him turn His back on us, as we have turned our government's back to Him, this is a very effective way to do it. This Hindu prayer was actually an attempt to "curse" this nation and not to "bless" it.
This is the type of thing Balak hired Balaam to do. The Muslims are rejoicing at this Hindu prayer. Just as they rejoice over our abortion "non-laws", our adultery non laws, and our homosexual non laws. All of these things together and more, set us up for a removal of protection, and a greater curse, to our families and our lives.
The atheists have not a clue what is happening to this nation in the spiritual realm. This is how nations decline and fall. They fall under pluralistic and permissive attacks from the enemy of life, generated in the "air" around us.
I agree with the prayer of the believer........... "Lord Jesus forgive us." Shed your love abroad, and in our hearts.
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