The only way to actually or truly obey God is by faith.
God's Law. What is God's Law?
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As long as we are in these Adamic bodies we are sinners.
It is not possible to obey God.
It is not possible for an unbeliever or not possible for a believer?
There are those who are of faith and those who are not. Those who are of true faith do obey God.
Of course it is possible to obey God.
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Robert,
that should be rendered "Those who are justified by faith will live." It has nothing about it that demeans law. In fact, we won't know what we have to be justified from without law.
There is an internal spontaneous motivation through the Spirit mentioned in Gal 5: "About these things you don't make laws" (about the fruit of the Spirit), but love is a law and love is a fruit of the Spirit. You're OK if that's what you mean.
The fruit of the Spirit is more than just love.
HOGWASH!
You should know better.
You were born a sinner and you will die a sinner. Why do you think that Paul refered to himself as "The Chief of Sinners?" 1 Timothy 1:15.
Are saints (these are believers who are alive) sinners or different from sinners?
In that Paul sinned did not mean he had to continue in sin.
Your screwing with the scripture. It plainly says, "The Just shall live by faith" meaning not by laws rules or religion.
Here is who the law is for, 1 Timothy 1:8, 9, 10.
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. (Romans 8:9 NKJV)
There are two kinds of sinners, saved sinners and lost sinners.
Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7:13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22.
All who are indwelt with the Holy Spirit are aware of the fact that they are sinners.
That scripture does not say that you are now as righteous as Christ.
Paul was a sinner. But that does not mean that once he believed on Jesus as the Christ he lived in sin.
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. (Romans 8:1 NKJV)
That scripture does not say that you are now as righteous as Christ.
Paul did not practice sin. You don't have to practice sin to be a sinner.
The law is spiritual. It searchs the desires and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12.
Are all of your thoughts pure and without sin?
In what sense are you saying he was the chief of sinners when he was no longer a sinner?
Paul did not live in sin or walk in sin. Neither do or should you or I.
Paul lived a righteous life, but he still saw himself as a sinner.
I did not say that Paul was a sinner, Paul said that he was a sinner.
In the light of God's holiness Paul saw himself as a sinner.
God completely changed Paul, even more than that he had observed God's Law, in that he was formerly a persecutor of the church.
Philippians 3:17-21 NASB - 17 Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us. 18 For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21 who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.
We have been changed, but not completely. We only have the first fruits or the down payment of the Spirit, Romans 8:23.
We are waiting for Christ to return so that this corruption can put on incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:52, 53, 54.
The pattern in Paul spoken of has nothing to do with sin.