Genesis 1:6 Why did God want the water to be divided?

[tieman55]

First, fix your formatting on post #18.

Second, one of the principles of the HPT is that unless the Bible explicitly states a miracle occurred, you don't just assume God did a miracle, because anyone can say, "it was a miracle," to ad-hoc justify their belief or support for an idea.

The HPT seeks to understand the events of the Flood from a PHYSICAL standpoint.

Adiabatic cooling (expanding fluids cool rapidly) and heat being turned into kinetic energy (literally how rockets work) explain much of where the heat from the supercritical fluids from below the crust of the earth went.

You don't need a miracle to separate hot water from cold, because by the time the fluid has expanded the (proposed) 60 mile deep crack in the crust, it's already cooled to the extent that such a separation was not needed.

Again, the fountains of the great deep were sub-zero, not supercritical.

Walt Brown "Temperatures increase with depth inside the earth, Subterranean water abut 10 miles deep would have been extremely hot" RE: SCW "The initial pressure in the 10 mile deep subterranean chamber was about 62,000 PSI.... After centuries of of tidal pumping, the subterranean water exceeded the critical temperature , 705 degrees F. As the temperature continued to increase, the pressure grew, the crust stretched, and the energy from tidal pumping increasingly ionized the water." page 118 in In the beginning. 8th edition.

As far as miracles I claim nor insinuate any miracles were done after day 6.

Adiabatic not a chance, steam explosions add entropy to the atmosphere. Like in a volcano that is mostly the result of water explosion. Under Browns model, there is 1/2 the water on earth exploding into the atmosphere at well over 700 degrees, the idea that that is "adiabatic in its totality" is laughable. Now there is an aspect of this that is 40 days of rain means no sun for 40 days but it also means less heat escaping so it is a win / lose dynamic.

 

[JudgeRightly]

As far as miracles I claim nor insinuate any miracles were done after day 6.

I was responding to this:

You can separate the waters hot and cold and still wipe out man if he becomes too evil.

There was no "separation of hot and cold water" during the flood.

Adiabatic not a chance, steam explosions add entropy to the atmosphere.

See here:

In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - Rocket Science

Like in a volcano that is mostly the result of water explosion. Under Browns model, there is 1/2 the water on earth exploding into the atmosphere at well over 700 degrees, the idea that that is "adiabatic in its totality" is laughable.

Now you're putting words in my mouth.

I didn't say "adiabatic in its totality."

I said adiabatic cooling, combined with heat being converted to kinetic energy.

I said that the energy released was dispersed into the solar system.

Now there is an aspect of this that is 40 days of rain means no sun for 40 days but it also means less heat escaping so it is a win / lose dynamic.

You don't seem to understand the HPT. Go watch this video again:

 

[tieman55]

There was no "separation of hot and cold water" during the flood.



See here:

In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - Rocket Science

Now you're putting words in my mouth.

I didn't say "adiabatic in its totality."

I said adiabatic cooling, combined with heat being converted to kinetic energy.

I said that the energy released was dispersed into the solar system.



You don't seem to understand the HPT. Go watch this video again:

I am talking "only" about "Walt Browns Hydroplate theory" and I quoted him, in his book. 1/2 of all the water on earth is "750 to 800 degrees F "according to his Hydroplate theory" and it is all released into the atmosphere in just a couple of days. the ONLY cooling effect it will have is blocking out the sun. BTW Kinetic energy is heat aka energy in motion.

On Day 2 of creation the water was separated by God. In my post "Why" did God separate the water, I proposed no new miracles.

RE: Adiabatic cooling from Enyarts and Brown's POV, their idea is that static electricity aka earth lighting is kinetic energy absorbed by iron and other metals that created different radioactive isotopes, and that work absorbs energy. Neither Brown nor Enyart gives an amount of energy/heat that that could have been absorbed. My view is that, while that can be true, it is not always the case and no matter it is a miniscule amount of kinetic energy aka heat compared to 165,000,000 cubic miles of water at 750 degrees F. released in 2 days. which would cause the seas would boil for months.

"If" God used a better design, than Brown envisions, and that Ps 24 alludes to the heat problem in Hydroplate goes away.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I am talking "only" about "Walt Browns Hydroplate theory" and I quoted him, in his book. 1/2 of all the water on earth is "750 to 800 degrees F "according to his Hydroplate theory" and it is all released into the atmosphere in just a couple of days. the ONLY cooling effect it will have is blocking out the sun. BTW Kinetic energy is heat aka energy in motion.

On Day 2 of creation the water was separated by God. In my post "Why" did God separate the water, I proposed no new miracles.

RE: Adiabatic cooling from Enyarts and Brown's POV, their idea is that static electricity aka earth lighting is kinetic energy absorbed by iron and other metals that created different radioactive isotopes, and that work absorbs energy. Neither Brown nor Enyart gives an amount of energy/heat that that could have been absorbed. My view is that, while that can be true, it is not always the case and no matter it is a miniscule amount of kinetic energy aka heat compared to 165,000,000 cubic miles of water at 750 degrees F. released in 2 days. which would cause the seas would boil for months.

"If" God used a better design, than Brown envisions, and that Ps 24 alludes to the heat problem in Hydroplate goes away.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your posts until you go watch that video.

 

[tieman55]

Then I will definitely not watch the video!

You say that "you can't have any new miracles" and then you claim a new miracle, as the heat just disappears.

 

[Right Divider]

Then I will definitely not watch the video!

You say that "you can't have any new miracles" and then you claim a new miracle, as the heat just disappears.

Your post is retarded
Please learn both what science says and what the HPT says.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Then I will definitely not watch the video!

By this you show you aren't interested in honest discussion.

You say that "you can't have any new miracles" and then you claim a new miracle, as the heat just disappears.

Yup, no honest discussion here.

 

[Bladerunner]

Take it to a new thread. This thread is about why God wanted the waters of Genesis 1 to be divided.

simple.....waters below the crust and above the firmament...so He could flood the earth in a very short time..

 

[tieman55]

By this you show you aren't interested in honest discussion.



Yup, no honest discussion here.

simple.....waters below the crust and above the firmament...so He could flood the earth in a very short time..

According to Brown that would cause the water to go supercritical as it captured about 1700 years of heat below the surface. Then according to you and Brown it was released to the surface in two days, to judge man.
Brown says it was 1/2 the water on earth was at that temperature, do you agree with him on that amount of water, more or less?

 

[JudgeRightly]

According to Brown that would cause the water to go supercritical as it captured about 1700 years of heat below the surface. Then according to you and Brown it was released to the surface in two days, to judge man.
Brown says it was 1/2 the water on earth was at that temperature, do you agree with him on that amount of water, more or less?

Still no honest discussion. Nothing but straw man arguments.

Let us know when you're ready to have an honest discussion, and when you've watched the above video.

 

[Ps82]

I have an opinion and I lean heavily on the interpretation of symbolism in scripture. I believe that water has to do with measures of life God is willing to impart unto created beings, like mankind. I discovered this from two events in scripture.

1. Jesus told the woman at the well that he had water to give her from which she would never thirst again. Of course he was using the symbolism of natural H2O, which is water mortal being need to have continually replenished or their lives would end and they would die physically. Yet, the "water" he had to give her would be "water" from which she would never thirst again. For sure he was talking about an additional measure of life that would help a human being to live forever more. So just read the first sentence about and substitute life for water and you will see his insinuation.
2. Jesus told his mother it was not his time to turn H2O, the water that maintains mortal life, into the special and best ever wine. This also insinuates how Jesus would turn mortal life into immortal life.
3. Then I read John 3:34 For he [Jesus] whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given ALL THINGS into his hand.

Now, I understood that Jesus made possible for the Holy Spirit to his followers. I learned about the many jobs of the Holy Spirit and one of them is to be the security that our salvation is set and we have the life in us to transfer into eternal life in the kingdom of our Lord.

Now, about Genesis and how God choose to divide the waters from the waters. Substitute lives for waters. God chose to separate one type of life from another type of life. I have come to think that God was separating the sentient angels from sentient human beings. God was establishing realms of existence by his WORD in order to maintain the unique identity of each of the groups.

Next Genesis 1:6 mentions it is the firmament that separates the two forms of life. Then verse 8 tells us what the firmament which divided was. God called it Heaven.

The place under the firmament became the location where dry land and seas were manifested. This became mankind's future home. In the beginning it was a place under the heavens [plural] and was a place where there was not any plants or grain for God had not even caused it to rain. And, there was no man to till the soil. Yet, God did send a mist [a small measure of water] upon the ground.

Now, if I am correct about the symbolish of water representing life then that mist [small measure of water] meant that God added some measure of life into the ground/soil/world/earth at that time. After that The LORD took that ground and formed Adam a body. Is it any wonder that Jesus symbolically took diving water from his own mouth; added it to the ground; and formed living functioning eyeball for a man who was blind from birth and not had any eyeballs or any that functioned ...

So a more specific question seems to be: Why did God separate created living sentient beings from other sentient beings by creating realms/ heavens where they would each exits without the other?

I can speculate, but I would love to know if anyone else has found scripture which explains why God wanted the angels to be separated from us humanoids.

I've heard of how God created a place of eternal punishment for the angels but in the beginning it was not a place created for humanity.

Matthew 25:41 Then He [God] will say to those on his left. Depart from Me, you [men] who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Rev. 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them [mankind], was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they [the angels] will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Now, if the angels had already rebelled before Earth and mankind were manifested ... then I could see why God wanted to separate them from humanity.

Yet, Adam and Woman let them into their realm below the heaven by wanting to be like the gods/angels. Satan the leader of the 1/3 then was cast down to the earth with mankind and became the prince of the power of the air. And think about it. There has been a war going on between angels and men ever since.