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It would have been interesting to have seen Robinson play in the NFL. He had Barry Sanders like moves according to what I have read.
And Reggie Bush was a once in a generation college running back, to read the papers. Many a great college anything has failed to translate.

He was compared to Red Grange as a runner. But I agree if Bo had focused only on the NFL he could have been the greatest RB of all time. He was a marvel to watch run.
That's more of my point really. I look at him and think he should have been the greatest power back of all time and in the mix for the less specific conversation at the position.


Bo was great, but he is no BARRY SANDERS.
That wasn't his model. Barry was no Bo either. That said, I think you can make the argument that if you put Sanders behind that Cowboy line and made his first contact yards after the the scrimmage line he might have set records that would be nearly impossible to discuss without laughing.

And if Sayers had been hardier...who knows? But it's fun to think about.
 

Nick M

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The greater athlete, Jackie Robinson or Bo Jackson? :think:

Bo. He dominated everything he did. And I don't think playing football only would have stopped the injury. He crushed that hip, even though the many replays don't look like much. When you run as hard as he did, something had to give and it wasn't the ground.

He is the running back that has more yards per carry than Jim Brown. Of those running backs that have enough carries. Bo doesn't, so Brown has the highest YPC of running backs. And as much as I love Jim Brown, I think Bo Jackson was the same thing but on the next level.
 

Nick M

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That said, I think you can make the argument that if you put Sanders behind that Cowboy line and made his first contact yards after the the scrimmage line he might have set records that would be nearly impossible to discuss without laughing.

I agree.
 

tetelestai

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Before the NBA season started, Las Vegas oddsmakers put the over-under for Philadelphia 76ers victories at 16.5. (there are 82 games in a season)

It's the lowest over-under for wins Las Vegas has ever given an NBA team.

They put the odds of the 76ers winning the NBA Championship at 9,999 - 1. Therefore, if you put ten bucks on the 76ers, and if they win it all, you've got yourself $100k. Put down a hundred bucks, and you get a million bucks if they win it all.

As of today, the 76ers are 3-0. Two of those victories came against the Miami Heat and the Chicago Bulls, two of the top teams in the East.
 

The Berean

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Bo. He dominated everything he did. And I don't think playing football only would have stopped the injury. He crushed that hip, even though the many replays don't look like much. When you run as hard as he did, something had to give and it wasn't the ground.

He is the running back that has more yards per carry than Jim Brown. Of those running backs that have enough carries. Bo doesn't, so Brown has the highest YPC of running backs. And as much as I love Jim Brown, I think Bo Jackson was the same thing but on the next level.

Bo didn't dominate baseball nor track.
 

The Berean

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Cliff Branch was a FAR superior wide receiver to Lynn Swann. Branch, not Swann, should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. There, I said it. :reals:
 

The Berean

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Barry Sanders! Discuss!

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kmoney

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Barry Sanders is awesome! Best RB of all time?


What does anyone think about Dan LeBetard giving his Baseball HOF ballot to Deadspin for the votes? I pretty much come down on the side that says there are better ways to make his point and he even has an avenue to do it. It's hard to deny that he's forcing a lot more attention to the issue though. Attention that probably wouldn't exist had he done it in more traditional methods.


Frank Thomas, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine were the inductees this year.
Jack McDowell missed it and this was his last year of eligibility in the normal process. He could still get in through the veterans committee or whatever it is.
 

Nick M

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Greg Maddux is a joke compared to Jack Morris. Morris got 61% of the vote, whereas Maddux got 97%. Nothing like a popularity contest to determine merit. Jack Morris didn't "earn" balls in the dirt as a strike in the AL like Maddux did in the NL.

He was good, but not the dominate pitcher Joe Morgan made him out to be every time he called a game.
 

Nick M

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Bo didn't dominate baseball nor track.

He didn't participate full time. That is the only real argument I can make. He flew in the 100 compared to other football players. I am a Bo fan, despite his being an SEC product.
 

john w

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Barry Sanders is awesome! Best RB of all time?


What does anyone think about Dan LeBetard giving his Baseball HOF ballot to Deadspin for the votes? I pretty much come down on the side that says there are better ways to make his point and he even has an avenue to do it. It's hard to deny that he's forcing a lot more attention to the issue though. Attention that probably wouldn't exist had he done it in more traditional methods.


Frank Thomas, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine were the inductees this year.
Jack McDowell missed it and this was his last year of eligibility in the normal process. He could still get in through the veterans committee or whatever it is.

"Barry Sanders is awesome! Best RB of all time? "-EddieMoney

Negative-the best was Curly:

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Town Heretic

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Barry Sanders is awesome! Best RB of all time?
I'll still take Brown for that (and so does Sanders) but it's close enough to have fun talking about.

What does anyone think about Dan LeBetard giving his Baseball HOF ballot to Deadspin for the votes?
A necessary evil. He's a talented columnist and he has a middling popular television show, mostly driven by his more charismatic co-stars, but he couldn't have gotten half the spin and talk generated if he tried (and was allowed) to use them to make the argument.

Frank Thomas, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine were the inductees this year.
Excellent choices. Maddux had remarkable command of the ball and Glavine was just consistently amazing.

Jack McDowell missed it and this was his last year of eligibility in the normal process. He could still get in through the veterans committee or whatever it is.
That's right and he likely will in time.
 

The Berean

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Barry Sanders is awesome! Best RB of all time?


What does anyone think about Dan LeBetard giving his Baseball HOF ballot to Deadspin for the votes? I pretty much come down on the side that says there are better ways to make his point and he even has an avenue to do it. It's hard to deny that he's forcing a lot more attention to the issue though. Attention that probably wouldn't exist had he done it in more traditional methods.


Frank Thomas, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine were the inductees this year.
Jack McDowell missed it and this was his last year of eligibility in the normal process. He could still get in through the veterans committee or whatever it is.
kmo, this is Jack McDowell.

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This is Jack Morris.

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The Berean

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Greg Maddux is a joke compared to Jack Morris. Morris got 61% of the vote, whereas Maddux got 97%. Nothing like a popularity contest to determine merit. Jack Morris didn't "earn" balls in the dirt as a strike in the AL like Maddux did in the NL.

He was good, but not the dominate pitcher Joe Morgan made him out to be every time he called a game.

I'm not sure if you are joking or not, Nick! :(
 

Nick M

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I'm not sure if you are joking or not, Nick! :(

Nope. Morris pitched against much better competition. And in the biggest game, he threw that shutout against the Braves. Keep in mind, my beef is that Morris was better. Just the same as Denver's Gradishar is better than Pittsburgh's Lambert. Maddux also had the Jordan halo rule on his side when pitching. I do have a problem with he earned that call.
 

The Berean

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Nope. Morris pitched against much better competition. And in the biggest game, he threw that shutout against the Braves. Keep in mind, my beef is that Morris was better. Just the same as Denver's Gradishar is better than Pittsburgh's Lambert. Maddux also had the Jordan halo rule on his side when pitching. I do have a problem with he earned that call.

Nick, Morris better than Maddux is not a defensible position to take.

Maddux 5,008.1 IP, 355-227 W-L, 3.16 ERA, 132 ERA+
Morris 3,824.0 IP, 254-186 W-L, 3.90 ERA, 105 ERA+

The difference in innings pitched is huge. Maddux has 101 more wins. That's huge. There's a huge gap in ERA and ERA+. Maddux won four Cy Young Awards, Morris won zero Cy Young Awards. And check this out. Both pitchers walked 1,390 batters but Maddux pitched almost 1,200 more innings.

And during Maddux's prime he was like 500% better than Morris. Check out Maddux's 1994-95 seasons. He has back-to-back ERA's of 1.56 and 1.63. The last time a pitcher had such low ERA's was Walter Johnson in the Dead Ball Era. That Maddux was doing this in the mid 1990's, one of the highest scoring eras in baseball history, is amazing. Check this out.

1994
Maddux 1.56 ERA
NL 4.21 ERA

1995
Maddux 1.63 ERA
NL 4.18 ERA

As for Morris' fabulous 1991 Game 7 that's a point in his favor. But in the 1992 postseason he was garbage. In the 1992 ALCS he was 0-1 with a 6.57 ERA. In the 1992 World Series he was even worse going 0-2 with a 8.44 ERA.
 
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tetelestai

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How come no one cares about college baseball?

If you put a gun to my head, I couldn't come close to naming who won the college world series last year, or who was even in it.

Yet, college football and college basketball are huge.
 
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