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serpentdove

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God's Truth said:
[As a reminder God's Truth is number 39 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib: ] Let the Reader notice...
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“Be yourself. No one can say you're doing it wrong."
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God's Truth said:
You also are a worker for Satan, an accuser.
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I coined the title UOHS Unregenerate Old Hag Sindrome in response to posts like this.

A young guy I knew who spent some time in a homeless refuge run by nuns threw himself in front of a train. He'd spoken to me the despair he felt by them making him say prayers or not have food. The teaching of obediance to the unregenerate has devastating consequences.

That is why I call her a nun indoctrinated old hag, because like them, she demands self-righteous behaviour.
 
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popsthebuilder said:
Yet you claim to be justified in your blatant misdirection and whole criticism.

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"But may it never be for me to boast, except in the stake of our Adonay Yah Shua Messiah, through whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world".
 
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God's Truth said:
Give the exact scripture that says what you just said. Give the scripture that says it is wrong to obey God.

And don't give the filthy rag scripture because that is about the righteous act of blood offerings being filthy because the people gave the offerings and didn't mean it.

I know the misunderstandings of the Calvinists and which scriptures they use.
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Give scripture that it's wrong to obey God? If a person gives a Church $100, is he obeying God?
 
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God's Truth said:
What is absurd is that you are so confused you can't give scripture.
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I can give several scriptures that make a case for it but none that say directly " it's a sin to obey God". The reason is that true obedience is not a sin. Attempted obedience that misses the mark is a sin however and I have several verses to back up that idea. But back to your premise; you assume that if the Bible doesn't directly say something then it doesn't teach the idea.

Here is one for you. Show me the verse that says Jesus is God. Show me the verse that says the Holy Spirit is God.
 
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ClimateSanity said:
I can give several scriptures that make a case for it but none that say directly " it's a sin to obey God". The reason is that true obedience is not a sin. Attempted obedience that misses the mark is a sin however and I have several verses to back up that idea. But back to your premise; you assume that if the Bible doesn't directly say something then it doesn't teach the idea.

Here is one for you. Show me the verse that says Jesus is God. Show me the verse that says the Holy Spirit is God.
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She doesn't believe in the trinity.
 
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God's Truth said:
Is that a scripture? Give the scripture that it is wrong to obey God.
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“Be appalled, O heavens, at this; be shocked, be utterly desolate, declares the Lord,

for my people have committed two evils:

they have forsaken me, the fountain of living waters, and hewed out cisterns for themselves,

broken cisterns that can hold no water.” (Jeremiah 2:12-13)
 
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“Be appalled, O heavens, at this; be shocked, be utterly desolate, declares the Lord,

for my people have committed two evils:

they have forsaken me, the fountain of living waters, and hewed out cisterns for themselves,

broken cisterns that can hold no water.” (Jeremiah 2:12-13)
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You think that means we do not have to obey? Give the scripture that says it is wrong to obey. You gave the scripture that says they were the saved who were going to get cut off and die for not repenting of their sins.

Ezekiel 18:31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?

Luke 19:42 and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace--but now it is hidden from your eyes.
Luke 8:10
He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'

John 12:40
"He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them."

Romans 11:8
as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day."
Matthew 13:14
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

Mark 4:12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

Mark 8:17And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet see or understand? Do you have a hardened heart? 18"HAVING EYES, DO YOU NOT SEE? AND HAVING EARS, DO YOU NOT HEAR? And do you not remember,
 
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God's Truth said:
You think that means we do not have to obey? Give the scripture that says it is wrong to obey. You gave the scripture that says they were the saved who were going to get cut off and die for not repenting of their sins.

Ezekiel 18:31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?

Luke 19:42 and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace--but now it is hidden from your eyes.
Luke 8:10
He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'

John 12:40
"He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them."

Romans 11:8
as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day."
Matthew 13:14
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

Mark 4:12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

Mark 8:17And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet see or understand? Do you have a hardened heart? 18"HAVING EYES, DO YOU NOT SEE? AND HAVING EARS, DO YOU NOT HEAR? And do you not remember,
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It means that the idolatrous works you are performing are like broken cisterns. You barking mad dog. Matthew 7:6 type dog.
 
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