I'm glad your not prone to overstatements, that would make this conversation weird.
Is this sarcasm or straight-up what you mean?
I do not see Pakistan as being the same as the US in terms of vaccination. Pakistan is fighting a battle against Polio that the US fought and won a while ago. The US does have active laws to "imprison" people with active cases of typhoid until treatment is complete. Keeping them from spreading a truly deadly disease certainly does not sound at like rape or worse to me.
I know it doesn't sound like rape to you. You want it. That's different.
What if instead you actually feared that your child would become very ill or be used by the government for evil? What if you were suspicious because foreign agencies already manipulated your vaccine programs in immoral ways?
Then imagine if you were so stubborn and frightened of the shot you were jailed with 500 other resisters, and you were then even more frightened because your 8 little children were now all alone living in a politically unstable area, clueless about what happened, thinking mom and dad were never coming home again?
That's enough like rape to me.
Since I don't see vaccines as immoral, I see no basis for resisting vaccines based on moral grounds.
If you were asked to get a vaccine that would ensure your daughters never got pregnant in school because their bodies would be guaranteed allergic for the next 5 years to their children, at least, would you take it?
They might "mean well," the murderers, but you don't want to risk committing murder yourself.
Don't you want to be able to opt out and still use the services you pay for without discrimination?
That is just me. I would oppose them based on medical necessity if needed.
What if your medical necessity didn't meet their too-narrow criteria?
For others who do see them as immoral, they can refuse but they must bear the consequences of that refusal including being denied access to public schools if that is the will of the people. Sometimes taking the moral high road requires sacrifice.
But some people want to take that ability to make sacrifices by force. It was done it 1991. Here's how;
Public health officials turned to the courts to intervene. First, they got a court order to examine the churches’ children in their homes, then to admit children to the hospital for medical care. Finally, they did something that had never been done before or since: They got a court order to vaccinate children against their parents’ will.
Children were briefly made wards of the state, vaccinated and returned to their parents. At the time, a religious exemption to vaccination had been on the books in Pennsylvania for about a decade - See more at:
http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/child...ive-forced-vaccinations/#sthash.vQRxOsqi.dpuf
Nothing leaps to mind. I think the childhood vaccinations that we currently have do a very good job of keeping diseases under control.
Gardasil is "required" in a lot of places. Just wait until the abortion vaccine is, just the same.
None the less, we will not be re-vaccinating. As to my taking the vaccine, there would be no reason to. Older man in a monogamous relationship. I am at no risk of contracting or spreading HPV at this point in my life.
But there are other HPV viruses, and they are spread via other more casual contact than sexual. You can very soon nab them all, or at least most that are found in tumors. (Still, I really don't want you or your girls to take Gardasil 9. Just test it on yourself first if you change your mind.)
And he lied. He flat out lied. He deserved to lose his liscens as he completely violated the Hippocratic oath to cause no harm.
Briefly, in your own words, what was the lie and what was the harm?
So it is your contention that vaccines attack the brain, is that correct?
No. First off, that's acting like all vaccines are the same. Yes, some kinda do. That's what they are supposed to do in some cases. But typically, no. Of course, that's not the intent, even when we find infections of vaccine strains in the brains of damaged people.
And that's not even directly the cause of the brain damage I had in mind. When you turn up one part of the immune system, the other part tunes down. So if your child is using the immune system and you turn off the pruning program that is running, what will happen? Will the brain continue to develop just as before? No, of course not!
And a whole lot of people died miserable deaths.
From vaccine reactions? Because modern pro-vaccinator journalists claim that it was 50/50 good/bad to get an inoculation back then. It's known there were deaths but vaccine liberty didn't stop the disease from coming under control.
They aren't. God gave us brains created in His image to learn and understand the world around us. To control and use it as we see fit. One of those ways is medicine and, specifically, vaccines. I do not vaccines as inherently immoral or in any way contradictory to anything God has said in either the Old or New Testament.
Inherently immoral would be hyperbole. Actually the problem is, not all vaccines are the same. And for some people all are unclean.
But beyond that we don't even know why God made viruses, scientifically speaking.
They have a role in the food-chain of the micro-biome of our bodies. Some wild types have been witnessed curing cancer all on their own, without medical tinkering.
What if viruses were God's genetic doctors, helping this human race as we mingle our genetic lines together, helping to homogenize our genome and make mixing our tribes together safe in the long run?
Or what if they were like maggots in a wound? Doctors keep finding them in cancer.... what if they are just there to make the cancer grow more slowly, because the cancer is a good feeding ground?
I want them to do a thousand more years of research on vaccines. Honest research, though, and after that my family *may* partake if the rest of humanity hasn't decided by then that they were actually foolish babies playing with fire!
You-all need natural-human backups, in case you accidentally extinguish your lineage!
