Jamie Gigliotti
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Can one continue to sin and still be saved?
Or let me ask it this way ...... Are you saved, yet still sin?
Answer my question first.
Can one continue to sin and still be saved?
Or let me ask it this way ...... Are you saved, yet still sin?
You both need to read "On being a Theologian of the Cross" by Gerhart O. Forde. Google it for a review. It covers everything you are discussing in a way you will not soon forget.Answer my question first.
Can one continue to sin and still be saved?
Or let me ask it this way ...... Are you saved, yet still sin?
Since we all know a muderer can find salvation if He repents and turns to Jesus, but not if He continues to murder, I'll answer you.
If by salvation you mean have I trusted Jesus to forgive my past sins? Yes
The monk is being selfish... as are most priests, nuns, etc. Secluded in the safety of their enclaves and rarely having to witness and/or justify their faith.
God calls us to live in the world.. but not be of it.
Jesus did not die a horrible death on the cross so you can be selfish and hide from the world.... what a waste that would be and an insult to his pain and victory.
FYI, I have the same problem with all protestant clergy that are totally self absorbed with their flocks that the are of no use to the people that need them the most.
Anyhow, the Scriptures talk about freedom from guilt and sin... you would have to understand the mentality of a 1st century Jew to see its meaning.
We no longer can make offerings for our sin to cleanse us from our guilt. God has empowered us to live for him.. not live for the law or some group of men sitting in ivory towers directing our lives.
So I sin, heck yea, I struggle with it all the time. But I am also confident that humans cannot conquer their sins.. that is why Jesus came, to do it for us. Now we can rest assured that as we move through life, the Holy Spirit will work in us to create a new creature in the image he wants... not the image we want.
I can think of a few issues I had in my life that I struggled with simply because I thought I could obey and change myself.... in the end, I was stupid to think I could fix myself. When I learned to rest on Jesus and allow him to lead, he fixed me in ways I would never have thought of and the issue is no longer a problem and no longer a temptation.
And that is the real problem, if you belong to any group that has a code of conduct that is so important that it silences the Holy Spirit, you are hanging with the wrong crowd. God will work in his children when and how he sees fit... on his time table, not ours.
If a man does not murder is he then righteous?
Which of your sins were still in the future when he was being scourged? Which future sins did he not take lashes for?
The Bible works just fine. I'll read your synopsis.You both need to read "On being a Theologian of the Cross" by Gerhart O. Forde. Google it for a review. It covers everything you are discussing in a way you will not soon forget.
The Bible works just fine. I'll read your synopsis.
Misdirection noted
Sure it does. You and all the rest on this forum say the same thing.
All of them.Which sins were still in the future when the Lord Jesus Christ was being beaten for your iniquity? Since you said "future sins".
The standard is love.
If a man does not murder is he then righteous?
Paul described the Christian walk as pressing on to perfection. Not accepting sin, or deliberately sinning. Repenting.
We have to be willing to let God work in us, He doesn't force Himself upon us, but rather lovingly draws and convicts of sin.
How much of His love and presence did I feel when I refused to forgive when I was severly wronged and filled with hate?. None! How much hope? None.
I could not forgive on my own. I needed his help. He convicted me, but didn't force. I surrendered and He did what I could not do, but I had to choose to be willing to let him. He gives us dominion over ourselves and His Spirit convicts us to surrender for our good, to share in His love, to spread His love.
Nice story.... but thats all it is. Definitely not the christian life.
Ive watched every single person who says what you do end up committing the worse sins imaginable... god show the world what hypocrites they are and to just walk away from the likes of you...
Sure it does. You and all the rest on this forum say the same thing.
Nice story.... but thats all it is. Definitely not the christian life.
Ive watched every single person who says what you do end up committing the worse sins imaginable... god show the world what hypocrites they are and to just walk away from the likes of you...
Which sins were still in the future when the Lord Jesus Christ was being beaten for your iniquity? Since you said "future sins".