Females As Leaders/Pastors Of Males In Evangelical Churches.

[Hoping]

Your *opinion* has been noted.

I thank God I can express opinions that correspond to God's opinions.

 

[Hoping]

No, they do NOT have the consent of their VICTIMS.

But feel free to make more ridiculous comparisons.

You kind of went off on a tangent that didn't answer the question.
Just as thieves can say "NO" to temptation, so can those disposed to group masturbation say "NO" to their temptation.

 

[Hoping]

It’s up to the church members to make that decision.

Church members that counter God's decisions are not church members at all.
They are fools in league with the devil.

 

[Hoping]

Well of course they do. Violating another person and thieving are actions so it's entirely a choice when people do so. Any more stupid questions?

Every temptation demands a choice.
To choose to succumb to the temptation to commit adultery with a member of one's own sex can be refused as well as any other temptation.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Yawn away although it's scripture you're yawning at.

False.

Far right fundamentalism is not Christianity.

It's more Christian than the churchianity (hi @Right Divider!) that most people adhere to these days.

That's not a soundbite, it simply isn't.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

It's also not an appeal to popularity either, it's simply stating fact.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

It's not apathy to oppose that which you advocate so that's bemusing.

It's apathy to not care about whether someone is sinning.

I'm against religious legalism in general

Good.

so it's somewhat baffling how you can confuse that with apathy.

Because you're not even talking about the same thing at this point.

Have I reduced you to nothing other than one facet? How so?

Supra.

You don't agree else you'd recognize fact.

False.

Oh, you made a conscious choice to be attracted to the opposite sex?

Yes.

Yawn away again as much as you like, there's a difference and you should have been more than well aware of the fact.

Yawn.

It’s up to the church members to make that decision.

Without even giving God the benefit of trying to find out what He says regarding the matter?

I have left churches based on their teachings as well as the quality of the leadership and congregation.

Was it because what they said pricked your heart? Or because they were teaching falsehood?

Outside of needing to create chaos, why attend a church that does not coincide with your personal, spiritual beliefs?

Because our beliefs should be informed by what God's word teaches, even if that means that our starting beliefs don't match what the Pastor says.

Well of course they do. Violating another person and thieving are actions so it's entirely a choice when people do so. Any more stupid questions?

Yes, violating another person is what we're talking about, re: homosexuality.

A man violates another man, or a woman violates another woman.

Just as Paul said:

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. - Romans 1:24-32 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans1:24-32&version=NKJV

 

[Rusha]

I thank God I can express opinions that correspond to God's opinions.

Your opinion of “your” opinion has been noted.

 

[annabenedetti]

Your opinion of “your” opinion has been noted.

 

[Rusha]

You kind of went off on a tangent that didn't answer the question.
Just as thieves can say "NO" to temptation

Not comparable. The victim is the person being ripped off. Their victim did not say “please come in and take my stuff!”

The VICTIM did not consent.

so can those disposed to group masturbation say "NO" to their temptation.

 

[ok doser]

The VICTIM did not consent.

Pedophiles often claim that their victim DID consent

 

[Rusha]

Church members that counter God's decisions are not church members at all.
They are fools in league with the devil.

That’s nice. So you in your awesome perfection would be on your way out … yes?

 

[Hoping]

Not comparable. The victim is the person being ripped off. Their victim did not say “please come in and take my stuff!”

The VICTIM did not consent.

I'm not talking about victimhood.
You inserted it into the discussion.
I am talking about being able to resist temptation.
If I can resist the temptation to commit adultery, so can they.

 

[Hoping]

That’s nice. So you in your awesome perfection would be on your way out … yes?

I probably would have left before the festering devilishness manifested itself overtly.
People with the Spirit of God can sense these things before the unconverted can.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Every temptation demands a choice.
To choose to succumb to the temptation to commit adultery with a member of one's own sex can be refused as well as any other temptation.

Can the attraction be refused as well? Heterosexuals can choose to be in a relationship, get married or stay single and celibate if they want. Homosexuals can do the same.

 

[Arthur Brain]

False.



It's more Christian than the churchianity (hi @Right Divider!) that most people adhere to these days.



Saying it doesn't make it so.



Saying it doesn't make it so.



It's apathy to not care about whether someone is sinning.



Good.



Because you're not even talking about the same thing at this point.



Supra.



False.



Yes.



Yawn.

Of course it's not false, it's from the very passage of scripture you quoted from.

Pfffft, why, cos you say so?

Rhubarb and rhubarb (to return the silly nothing soundbites in kind).

It's pompous judgment to sit on some self constructed high horse and advocate that others be beholden to your religious ideals.

Not sure how you can consider my position to be 'good' considering your brand of legalism is what I oppose...

Still not getting how I've reduced you to one single facet either, are you solely defined by your religious beliefs?

When did you "choose" to find the opposite sex attractive?

Saying 'false' in the face of fact is silly, just as it's silly to conflate prejudice with discrimination. The two are obviously often intertwined but they're not the same thing.

 

[Arthur Brain]

I'm not talking about victimhood.
You inserted it into the discussion.
I am talking about being able to resist temptation.
If I can resist the temptation to commit adultery, so can they.

Nobody's expecting or condoning you to have an affair or some such Hoping.
Newsflash, there are such things as monogamous homosexual couples...

 

[JudgeRightly]

Of course it's not false, it's from the very passage of scripture you quoted from.

False.

Pfffft, why, cos you say so?

Nope.

Rhubarb and rhubarb (to return the silly nothing soundbites in kind).

At least what I say makes sense.

It's pompous judgment to sit on some self constructed high horse and advocate that others be beholden to your religious ideals.

Says the one sitting on the self-constructed high horse advocating that others be beholden to your religious ideals.

Quit judging, you hypocrite.

Not sure how you can consider my position to be 'good' considering your brand of legalism is what I oppose...

Maybe you should pay more attention then.

Still not getting how I've reduced you to one single facet either, are you solely defined by your religious beliefs?

I'll let you figure that one out yourself.

When did you "choose" to find the opposite sex attractive?

Anytime I'm faced with their perversity. Which is increasingly more and more often these days.

Saying 'false' in the face of fact is silly,

What you say isn't fact.

just as it's silly to conflate prejudice with discrimination. The two are obviously often intertwined but they're not the same thing.

Yawn.

 

[Arthur Brain]

False.



Nope.



At least what I say makes sense.



Says the one sitting on the self-constructed high horse advocating that others be beholden to your religious ideals.

Quit judging, you hypocrite.



Maybe you should pay more attention then.



I'll let you figure that one out yourself.



Anytime I'm faced with their perversity. Which is increasingly more and more often these days.



What you say isn't fact.



Yawn.

Um, ya, that passage of scripture you quoted is what I'm referring to. You can ignore the parts that apply to you if ya like but hey...

Well yeah, it pretty much is cos you say so and like all manner of others who declare their 'Christianity' to be superior it can also be so easily discarded.

If what you say made sense you wouldn't have gone on to make the laughable claim that I'm the one demanding that others be beholden to my religious ideals JR. When have I advocated that people be subjugated to laws that do any such thing? Oh, that's right, never. C'mon man, get a grip.

Oh, your brand of legalism is hardly new so no need to 'pay more attention' thanks...If you can't explain how I've reduced you to a single facet then hint - it's cos I haven't.

Um, so...in response to my question as to when you chose to find the opposite sex attractive you reply with this?
"Anytime I'm faced with their perversity. Which is increasingly more and more often these days."
How is that supposed to make any sort of sense?!
I'll take a shot and presume you mean perversity in regards to homosexuals but even that doesn't make any sense. You only became attracted to women after being faced with homosexuality? Best you explain this one really...

Where it comes to pointing out facts, it doesn't matter who says it.

Yawn away dude. Just know better than to conflate the two in future.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Um, ya, that passage of scripture you quoted is what I'm referring to. You can ignore the parts that apply to you if ya like but hey...

Not what I'm referring to. You'd think you'd have figured that out by now.

Well yeah, it pretty much is cos you say so and like all manner of others who declare their 'Christianity' to be superior it can also be so easily discarded.

False.

If what you say made sense you wouldn't have gone on to make the laughable claim that

Says the one spouting off random words...

I'm the one demanding that others be beholden to my religious ideals JR.

Yup.

When have I advocated that people be subjugated to laws that do any such thing?

Every time you claim that homosexuals have a right to be perverse.

Oh, that's right, never.

False.

C'mon man, get a grip.

Is that you're best Biden impression? You need to do better than that if you want to make it to the finals!

Oh, your brand of legalism is hardly new so no need to 'pay more attention' thanks...

Sorry to break it to you, but quoting scripture that supports what I believe isn't legalism.

If you can't explain how I've reduced you to a single facet then hint - it's cos I haven't.

False.

Um, so...in response to my question as to when you chose to find the opposite sex attractive you reply with this?
"Anytime I'm faced with their perversity. Which is increasingly more and more often these days."
How is that supposed to make any sort of sense?!

You should take some time, ask God to give you understanding, and ponder it for a while. I'm sure it may take twice as long as most people, but you'll figure it out eventually.

I'll take a shot and presume you mean perversity in regards to homosexuals

What else would I be talking about?

You've gotten that far, now keep going.

but even that doesn't make any sense.

Appeal to incredulity.

You only became attracted to women after being faced with homosexuality? Best you explain this one really...

No, I think I'll let you stumble around in the dark for a bit. Maybe you'll find the light switch and turn it on, and maybe you won't.

Where it comes to pointing out facts, it doesn't matter who says it.

Problem is, nothing you say is fact.

Yawn away dude. Just know better than to conflate the two in future.

YAWN. You're so boring.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Not what I'm referring to. You'd think you'd have figured that out by now.



False.



Says the one spouting off random words...



Yup.



Every time you claim that homosexuals have a right to be perverse.



False.



Is that you're best Biden impression? You need to do better than that if you want to make it to the finals!



Sorry to break it to you, but quoting scripture that supports what I believe isn't legalism.



False.



You should take some time, ask God to give you understanding, and ponder it for a while. I'm sure it may take twice as long as most people, but you'll figure it out eventually.



What else would I be talking about?

You've gotten that far, now keep going.



Appeal to incredulity.



No, I think I'll let you stumble around in the dark for a bit. Maybe you'll find the light switch and turn it on, and maybe you won't.



Problem is, nothing you say is fact.



YAWN. You're so boring.

It's scripture, whatever your 'references' may happen to be. I'm using part of the same scripture myself.

Nah, it's true.

I quoted you so if that amounts to 'random words' then somewhat ironic...

I don't demand that anybody be beholden to laws based on religious ideals at all JR. I agree with having the laws we have that protect people from religious tyranny and the sort of 'government' you'd have enacted as part. I also support your right to air whatever you will and I'm all for religious freedom which is what you also have.

Erm you made a reply that didn't make any sense on the matter JR. The sensible answer would have been to acknowledge that you didn't choose to be straight instead of making poorly worded allusions to homosexuals having any influence on it. If you're straight you're attracted to the opposite sex, simple as.

False. Prejudice and discrimination are not the same thing as you earlier claimed. Fact.

Well, if I'm so boring then don't respond dude, simple enough remedy innit? You'e hardly Captain interesting yourself...

 

[Hoping]

Can the attraction be refused as well? Heterosexuals can choose to be in a relationship, get married or stay single and celibate if they want. Homosexuals can do the same.

Attraction is simply temptation with an extra "A".
Both can be refused.
I think "attraction" is called "enticement" in James 1:14-15.
"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."