whitestone
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Sir Robert Anderson said no such thing. Just because someone is saved by the first gospel does not mean that later they cannot become members of the Body of Christ.
At one time Apollos was a believer "knowing only the baptism of John":
"And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John" (Acts 18:24-25).
But later, after Aquila and Priscilla had "expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly" (v.26) we see Paul saying that Apollos watered what he had planted and they are both "one":
"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one" (1 Cor.3:5-8).
Apollos was watering what Paul had planted because both were members of the Body of Christ and both were ministering to those in the Body of Christ. It is inconceivable that Apollos was not a member of the Body of Christ since Paul says that "he that planteth and he that watereth are one."
So even though a person might have been saved by believing the first gospel that does not hinder that person from becoming a member of the Body of Christ.
twice in post #60 you state "saved by the first Gospel" then "saved by believing the first Gospel" ,,,As for me I believe that until Jesus died on the cross,was buried,and then rose from the grave,(DBR) none were saved.
So the 12 whether they believed he was the Messiah or not nor the 70 disciples(or any who believed before the cross were saved),they did believe that he was the Messiah,but they did not understand how he would save them. If Peter(one of the 12) understood the matters of the cross he then would not have cut off the guards ear. There is the woman in Matthew 26:12-13 KJV who seemed to understand that he would die,but the others did not.
In post #28 you state that O'hair and Anderson both taught that the 12 were in the B.O.C.,,so this "TWO METHODS OF BEING SAVED" you are referring to when you say "saved by believing the first Gospel" here in #60 seems to counter/cancel the other statements.
In my post(that you quoted) I listed the 12,the 70,and the 3000(I did that on purpose because,) the 12 and the 70(and others) believed before the actual DBR that he was the true Messiah but did not understand the blood of the cross. The 3000 in Acts 2 believed both that he was the true Messiah and that he was crucified,buried and resurrected.
So maybe it would help if you explain the two methods of salvation you are referring to the one where they are saved by "believing the first Gospel(before the shed blood)",,and the second method of salvation. This I think is a curious matter in light of Acts 13:46 KJV that is now there are the 12,the 70,the 3000 and Paul who didn't believe until Acts 9 and Barnabas(who is said to be of the 70),,,so Barnabas,the 12 and others believed both before and after the cross. So when were they saved,when they believed in one of the two Gospels,or when Christ was crucified?