Every day is a new circus.

[ok doser]

I don't really understand what the topic even is.

the topic is "anna doesn't like president trump"

 

[Catholic Crusader]

I've often thought that it will never change. The impetus for it, always comes from the loser. As such, no standing president is ever going to see it as unjust. Addressing it will always be weaker than the desire for it?

There are far more important reasons for the EC than that. The EC, much like our constitution, protects minorities and the rights of small states.

EDIT: Ooops. I forgot I was leaving the thread. Exiting again.

 

[Town Heretic]

There are far more important reasons for the EC than that. The EC, much like our constitution, protects minorities and the rights of small states.

The Senate does that. The EC doesn't protect minorities, unless you meant the artificially created minorities in terms of comparing populations among states.

The EC preserves a mistrust of the people and produces, now and again, presidents who are meant to represent the people without being elected by the majority of them.

It's time for that to end.

 

[TrumpTrainCA]

The Senate does that........

The Senate has nothing to do with elections.

....The EC preserves a mistrust of the people.....

That's Leftwing propaganda and and a bald faced lie. Any mistrust is generated by your ilk who keeps telling these lies.

The system empowers states, especially smaller ones, because it forces presidential candidates to appeal to places that may be far away from population centers. Farmers in Iowa may have very different concerns than bankers in New York. A more federalist system of electing presidents takes that into account.

The founding fathers did NOT want a direct democracy, and thank God for their wisdom

 

[Town Heretic]

The Senate has nothing to do with elections.

Or ham sandwiches. Or the designated hitter rule.

Now then, back on the point, the Senate is the body meant to represent each state, regardless of population. It's already a powerful check for people in Dakota worried that their concerns won't matter. The smaller states, if they ever really felt they weren't being considered and their populations were being neglected, would have all the leverage they'd need, legislatively speaking.

So the EC as their protector is just so much hokum, supported by people who rightly fear they can't win on a one man one vote ballot and have to rely on gerrymandering to achieve and sustain power. Meanwhile, the president is president of all the people. He should be elected by them.

That's Leftwing propaganda and and a bald faced lie.

It's actually the plain truth. When you take the power of the vote from everyone in a state that isn't in the majority, you invite mistrust of the system and the power of participation.

Any mistrust is generated by your ilk who keeps telling these lies.

Rationalists aren't an ilk, they're simply people who rest their positions on argument and reason.

The system empowers states, especially smaller ones, because it forces presidential candidates to appeal to places that may be far away from population centers.

States are empowered through Congress and the value of having someone say the same thing with a tweak in Iowa that he'll say in Florida is of no particular value beyond optics.

Here's what's funny about your position. You're concerned about the minority, the little states with little populations, but utterly unconcerned with the minorities within those states, with the potential 49% of New Hampshire who could get a visit by the president but not a voice in who that eventually is, because of the EC and how states tend to treat those votes.

Farmers in Iowa may have very different concerns than bankers in New York.

Unlike bankers in Iowa and farmers in New York. lain:

The founding fathers did NOT want a direct democracy,

Neither do I. Republics are better ideas with stronger protections against a sweeping sentiment. Our Constitution makes it hard for us to undo the protections we give the little guy. That's a great idea.

So you're presenting a false dichotomy, the notion that it's either the EC or we're living in a pure democracy. Rather, within the republic we have different bodies serving disparate purposes. The purpose of the presidency is as a leader of the nation. The leader of the people should be from the people, first and foremost.

One man, one vote, one voice electing who that is. That's about as American as it can get.

Lastly, the fears of the FFs were rooted in practical considerations. They feared, in a day without the internet or easy transportation, that you'd simply have regional candidates splitting the country apart. You'd vote for the guy from your region, the guy you knew, against the other fellow you didn't. That's no longer the case. We aren't isolated by transportation problems and estranged from information and familiarity. Today, a Yankee can carry the South. And a southerner can win in New England.

It's time for the EC to go and the people to elect who represents them written large.

 

[annabenedetti]

^^ What you said. :up:

 

[ok doser]

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote ...

sooooo - she was elected president?

 

[annabenedetti]

 

[ok doser]

good thing the democrats were perfect angels this week, eh? :chuckle:

 

[annabenedetti]

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1
Sean Hannity on Fox tonight, without any hint of irony: "Based on no actual crimes, [Pelosi] wants a political opponent locked up in prison. Umm, that happens in banana republics. Beyond despicable behavior."


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Pretty sure the average FOX viewer saw absolutely no irony whatsoever.

 

[annabenedetti]

✔
For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon - We did that 50 years ago. They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!

23.2K
10:38 AM - Jun 7, 2019

 

[Arthur Brain]

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For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon - We did that 50 years ago. They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!

23.2K
10:38 AM - Jun 7, 2019

:doh:

Someone in this guy's support team needs to block his twitter account...

Apart from anything else he was supporting a lunar trip just three weeks ago.

 

[annabenedetti]

Apart from anything else he was supporting a lunar trip just three weeks ago.

That he was..

But he could have done a 180 on the same day and his based wouldn't have cared. No one in his base cares. It took a long time for that to sink in, I was optimistic for so long that eventually they'd see him for what he was, but the cartoon has it dead on - they like him for what he is.


But at least there's this consolation:

Jason O. Gilbert‏Verified account @gilbertjasono

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As JFK famously said, “We choose to go to the Moon not because it is easy, but because it is Mars"​

10:55 AM - 7 Jun 2019




:chuckle:

 

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[The Barbarian]

Neither do I. Republics are better ideas with stronger protections against a sweeping sentiment. Our Constitution makes it hard for us to undo the protections we give the little guy. That's a great idea.

It turns out that the electoral college is favored by people precisely because they think it will make it easier to undo protections for the little guy.

 

[Town Heretic]

In related news...

Straight Pride organizers revealed to have links to far-right and white nationalist groups.

Well...who saw that one coming?



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[annabenedetti]

In related news...

Straight Pride organizers revealed to have links to far-right and white nationalist groups.

Well...who saw that one coming?

Women, apparently...




... "Super Happy Fun America?"


:freak:

 

[Town Heretic]

Women, apparently...

I thought you'd appreciate it.

It was that or

... "Super Happy Fun America?"

Do stop them now.

 

[annabenedetti]

Do stop them now.

Wonder if any of them are Incels.

 

[annabenedetti]

This explains everything Trumpian.