yourpoint? This name you chose for yourself suggests that your intent is to question what anyone says.
I think you are not interested in scripture. You get your fun by interrogating what people say.
You can keep your hypothetical questions to yourself. I won't be playing your silly game anymore.
Jesus is Lord!
I'm very interested in scripture. But, I don't understand why you would make such a claim about John 3:16.
According to the context then, you must also believe that only certain people could be healed when they looked at the serpent that Moses lifted up in the wilderness.
John 3:14-16;
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
Also, my Bible, the KJV says nothing about the world in Revelation 7:9. Maybe you're trying to say that we should replace "the world" with "a representation of the world"; like this:
'And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved a representation of the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into a representation of the world to condemn a representation of the world; but that a representation of the world through him might be saved.'
That is not what what John is saying.
And neither does it agree with the part about the serpent:
Numbers 21:8-9
"And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived."
It doesn't say:
And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that
a representation that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when
a representation beheld the serpent of brass,
a representation lived.
This truth of God's discriminating saving love has a particular application to evangelism:
'God loves you and Christ died for you' is inappropriate.
God said that every man that was bitten could be healed. You don't believe the Bible. The serpent was for all men; so is Christ who was lifted up "
as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness".
God,The Father, sovereignly chose His representative sample of humanity:'before the creation of the world'(Eph 1:4).
Nowhere does it say anything about a "representative sample of humanity:'"
Also:
No pressure in order to convince men of sin? Paul disagrees:
Acts 17:2, "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,"
Acts 18:4, "And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."
Acts 17:16-17, "Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him."
Acts 19:8, "And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God."
Acts 28:23, "And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into
his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and
out of the prophets, from morning till evening."
1 Corinthians 9:22, "To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all
men, that I might by all means save some."
1 Corinthians 10:33, "Even as I please all
men in all
things, not seeking mine own profit, but the
profit of many, that they may be saved."
And apparently you didn't even read The scripture that you used in the OP.
Romans 11:14, "If by any means I may provoke to emulation
them which are my flesh, and might save some of them." Apparently Paul didn't understand your "discriminating saving love of God".
Maybe you don't think persuading, reasoning, and provoking someone in order for them to be saved is "pressure". Think again.
Did you never read Acts 26:28? "Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian."
I won't be playing your silly game anymore.
Jesus is Lord!
As for a "silly game", you can't even tell a dying man that God loves him.
Maybe you should read the Gospel According to Mark. when you get to chapter 10 pause at verse 21.
Then maybe the Gospel According to Luke and pause at 13:34. And Jesus was weeping over Jerusalem in Luke, 19:41 due to his hatred for them? The same ones he wanted to take under his 'wings' but they were unwilling!
How do you conclude this:
An unbiased consideration of Rom Ch 9-11 clearly establishes the discriminating saving love of God.
From this scripture you gave as a source:
Romans 11:18-24
"Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well;
because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith.
Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches,
take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on
them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also,
if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."
Maybe you should study the "
be not highminded, but fear", and "
if thou continue" parts.
There is absolutely nothing in Romans 9-11 about "the discriminating saving love of God". You flat made that up.
I think you are not interested in scripture.
You can see for yourself. Are you?
yourpoint? This name you chose for yourself suggests that your intent is to question what anyone says.
So yeah, back to my name; yourpoint??????
PS
God has more than enough grace for all the sins of the whole world! Romans 5:20, "Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But
where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:" I hope that someday you begin to believe it!
For God so loved the
world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life!
