So, you went from "there's a website teaching children things they aren't ready for" to "OMG THE BARBARIANS ARE STORMING THE GATES!!!!!1!!!!!11!".
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So, you went from "there's a website teaching children things they aren't ready for" to "OMG THE BARBARIANS ARE STORMING THE GATES!!!!!1!!!!!11!".
WizardofOz
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[MENTION=16948]kiwimacahau[/MENTION] was apparently fine with sexual techniques being taught to 7 year olds so it's not hard to fathom others being for it as well. :idunno:
Rates of Child Abuse - by nation
1. Australia
2. Unites States
3. Afghanistan
4. United Kingdom
5. Russia
6. Zimbabwe
7. Botswana
8. India
9. Bangladesh
10. South Africa
http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/1...child-abuse-in-the-world-353626/?singlepage=1
:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:
Europe is weak, corrupt and ripe for conquest
Before Americans get too self-righteous, the US ranks high in the world when it comes to child abuse!
1. Australia
2. Unites States
3. Afghanistan
4. United Kingdom
5. Russia
6. Zimbabwe
7. Botswana
8. India
9. Bangladesh
10. South Africa
http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/1...child-abuse-in-the-world-353626/?singlepage=1
:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:
Europe is weak, corrupt and ripe for conquest
Before Americans get too self-righteous, the US ranks high in the world when it comes to child abuse!
musterion
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It seems a safe assumption.
Did you vote for Trump? Let me rephrase that: did you vote for a man who on multiple occasions including when she was underaged suggested a sexual interest in his own daughter on television and on the radio?
Christian moralizing is all the more unbelievable in this age of resurgent fascism.
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There is no way in hell you can support a claim that Trump desired a sexual relation with his daughter.
And I would not blame Trump if he punched you in the mouth for accusing him of that.
Sickos.
How have you missed this? It's been a bit of a theme with Trump and Ivanka, and it's been long-running.
Warning, language by Donald Trump may not be appropriate:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-unsettling-comments-a-roundup-a7353876.html
He referred to Ivanka, 16 years old at the time, as "hot":
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-complete-ish-history-of-donald-trumps-obsession-with-1787304637
And he's said this about Ivanka:
“Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father . . .”
And when Tiffany was 1 year old, he speculated about her future breasts. I guess he didn't realize at the time that he wasn't going to be as obsessed with her as he was with Ivanka, but if you want an example of sexualizing children, how about that one? Mind you, he did this on TV, for all time to preserve.
Because that's how you deal with someone who points out an inconvenient fact.
The hypocrisy meter just broke. The benefit of all doubt goes to Trump, no matter how scarce the doubt is, while nameless, faceless "liberals" get all the blame for all the things you speculate they might be answerable for.
Do Evangelicals know how absurd they look having beat the drums for family values, and morality, and sexual propriety and purity and then as soon as Trump comes along, all those ideals go out the window?
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gcthomas
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Nope, the 'seven year olds' part was made up by the journalist. As has been shown. You should be discussing sex ed for teenagers, which would have the benefit of relating to the actual story.
Conservatives are appalled by sex education in other nations, but they see no hypocrisy in casting their ballot for a man who openly boasted about using his fame to "grope" other women!
Whatever moral high-ground that these self-righteous conservatives think they deserve, has been effectively squandered!
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kiwimacahau
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Thus my comments.
WizardofOz
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I don't think teachers should be teaching students oral sex techniques. Period.
I don't want teachers showing my children graphic sexual images and telling them about the hummingbird oral sex technique. I don't care how old they are.
Do you have kids?
WizardofOz
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You are full of it. You thought it was aimed at seven year olds and defended the idea.
You think that's too young?
I know this wasn't addressed to me. However...
I am generally pretty sex-positive. I think it's generally worth pushing back on the prudish tendencies a lot of people have, especially parents. And I do think that it's usually good for for children to be taught facts about sex by teachers, because parents are uniquely unsuited to do it, and often they are unwilling.
All that said...
I do not see it as appropriate to teach specific sex techniques, either to very young children, or even older ones. Mostly, I think kids will figure them out, and unless it's about safety, I don't think adults should be shaping that natural exploration too terribly much. And I think that there is a fine line between affirming the valid sexual choices that children make and feelings that they may have, and pushing them to learn things that they may not really be ready to process. And it isn't easy to draw that line correctly.
However...
That said, I'm perfectly Ok with even young kids seeking out and finding this kind of information for themselves. I don't think anything is helped keeping it from them. And kids should be given information about safe sex and things like consent at a young enough age that they can use it to protect themselves. But as far as information about "how to have a good time having sex" as opposed to "how to keep yourself safe" and "how to treat others appropriately", I'd probably leave that entirely for their own exploration and not push that upon them.
kiwimacahau
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No, actually I bothered to read the article posted. I saw it was for 15 years old and then I followed the link to the actual website where it says the following:
Which translates as:
Perhaps you should research rather than just posting your "annoyance of the day."
gcthomas
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If realistic and common sex behaviour isn't taught to older teen, do you think they won't come across the ideas themselves? The quotation really, is would you prefer children to learn about sex from the unregulate and unrealistic/harmful techniques depicted on porn sites? Because that is what needs balancing here, and it is a very different work from when we were young as a result.
WizardofOz
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What do you mean by "pushing back on the prudish parents"? Shouldn't parents have the first and final say as to what sex education they receive from their teachers?
Why would you want to push back against parents raising their children how they best see fit? Why should a teacher have precedent on this topic when compared to the parents?
Curious. While I agree that some parents are unwilling, you seem to be insinuating that you prefer to have children learn about sex from teachers as opposed to parents. While I agree that sexual education is important (how not to get STD's etc) a willing and competent parent is the ideal source for a child to learn about these things as opposed to a teacher.
That's my reservation. Why educators think it's a good idea that children have specific sexual positions and techniques thrown in their face is beyond me.
It's beyond the pale and beyond what is necessary.
Overall, I agree.
Again, you're so transparent and full of it. You came in defending the assertion. So, [MENTION=16948]kiwimacahau[/MENTION] - how young is too young? Is seven too young? How about eight? Fourteen? Where do you draw the line?
And, what is the benefit of teaching teenagers oral sex techniques? Is that something that teachers should be teaching kids? Should educators be showing teenagers images of various sexual positions? How do fifteen year olds benefit from learning about (NSFW warning)
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Same questions as above. And, what is the benefit of teachers showing teenagers oral sex techniques? Is that something that teachers should be teaching kids? Should educators be showing teenagers images of various sexual positions?
What is the benefit? You don't see any possible detriment to such curriculum? Do you feel pornography can damage relationships?