Ephesians 1:4, 5, In the Light of the Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ

[Robert Pate]

Are those from the tribe of Judah referred to in scripture as Jews or are they referred to as Gentiles.

For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. (Hebrews 7:14 NKJV)​

And Jesus was not the new Adam. We are children of our Father, not the Son.

The first Adam imparted human nature to his descendants and Jesus' father imparts his Spirit to his descendants just like he did to Jesus who is our brother.

However, Jesus is the last Adam, the last one to impart eternal life to others for us to nurture and train.

I'm glad you are better, Robert. I missed you.

"For as by one Spirit (the Holy Spirit) we are all baptized into one body" 1 Corinthians 12:13.

Jesus is the new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

No one will be saved that is not found to be "In Christ".

We are heirs and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. Romans 8:17.

 

[jamie]

Jesus is the new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

The first Adam was the father of humanity. Jesus is not a father at this time, he is our brother.

 

[beloved57]

The first Adam was the father of humanity. Jesus is not a father at this time, he is our brother.

Only of the Elect of humanity !

 

[lifeisgood]

Only of the Elect of humanity !

I will ask you as Tambora asked you a while ago:
Do you tell your children when you put them to bed that God loves them?

or

do you tell them that they might be ones that were born only so God could send them to hell and there isn't a darn thing they can do about it?

 

[Robert Pate]

The first Adam was the father of humanity. Jesus is not a father at this time, he is our brother.

You have missed it again.

Jesus is far more than our brother. He is our substitute and representative savior. All that Jesus did, he did for us, in our name and on our behalf. He is our justifier, Romans 3:26.

When he returns he will not be returning as our brother.

He is returning as the..."The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

He will return to claim that which is his.

 

[beloved57]

You have missed it again.

Jesus is far more than our brother. He is our substitute and representative savior. All that Jesus did, he did for us, in our name and on our behalf. He is our justifier, Romans 3:26.

When he returns he will not be returning as our brother.

He is returning as the..."The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

He will return to claim that which is his.

You teach that millions for whom Christ died for are lost in their sins in unbelief !

 

[jamie]

When he returns he will not be returning as our brother.

Yes, you seem to think Jesus changes from day to day. One day he and we have the same Father the next day not.

 

[Robert Pate]

You teach that millions for whom Christ died for are lost in their sins in unbelief !

You have been deceived by the doctrine of men.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes, you seem to think Jesus changes from day to day. One day he and we have the same Father the next day not.

Jesus does not change.

The same yesterday and today.

 

[Bright Raven]

You have been deceived by the doctrine of men.

Yes he has.

 

[beloved57]

You have been deceived by the doctrine of men.

You make Christ a defeated failure as a Savior !

 

[jamie]

Jesus does not change.

The same yesterday and today.

So why did you say he would no longer be our brother since we are joint heirs?

 

[Robert Pate]

You make Christ a defeated failure as a Savior !

You are not able to confess that "Jesus is Lord".

Jesus has victoriously defeated, sin, death and the devil and has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

 

[Robert Pate]

So why did you say he would no longer be our brother since we are joint heirs?

What I am saying is that Jesus is far more than our brother.

You seem to appear to delude the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

The Bible exhalts the work and the person of Jesus Christ.

Philippians 2:9, 10, 11.

 

[beloved57]

You are not able to confess that "Jesus is Lord".

Jesus has victoriously defeated, sin, death and the devil and has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

You make Christ a defeated Savior, folk He came to specifically save by dying for their sins, you have them going to hell anyway !

 

[beloved57]

What I am saying is that Jesus is far more than our brother.

You seem to appear to delude the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

The Bible exhalts the work and the person of Jesus Christ.

Philippians 2:9, 10, 11.

The bible does but you don't ! You teach that millions for whom He loved and died for wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief John 8:24 !

 

[Bright Raven]

The bible does but you don't ! You teach that millions for whom He loved and died for wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief John 8:24 !

You are wrong, he's right.

 

[beloved57]

You are not able to confess that "Jesus is Lord".

Jesus has victoriously defeated, sin, death and the devil and has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

All men are not reconciled to God, many are under God's condemnation and wrath John 3:18,36 so you don't believe or understand that passage you quoted !

 

[Nanja]

All men are not reconciled to God, many are under God's condemnation and wrath John 3:18,36 so you don't believe or understand that passage you quoted !

Exactly!

Pate has no true understanding of the scriptures, which are God Breathed 2 Tim. 3:16,
because he has not been Born of the Spirit.

2 Cr 4:3-4
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: v.4 In whom the god of this world
hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1 Cor. 2:12-14
v.12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God;
that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. v.13 Which things also we speak,
not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual. v.14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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[beloved57]

Exactly!

Pate has no true understanding of the scriptures, which are God Breathed 2 Tim. 3:16,
because he has not been Born of the Spirit.

2 Cr 4:3-4
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: v.4 In whom the god of this world
hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1 Cor. 2:12-14
v.12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God;
that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. v.13 Which things also we speak,
not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual. v.14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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Amen ! For sure .