heartless_Adam
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Just out of interest; has anyone ever started out at TOL with one set of ideals or beleifs, then actualy had them changed by things that were said by other members?
Does TOL get us anywhere?
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Mustard Seed
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TOL can be good, bad, ugly and irrelevant, informative and entertaining depending on-
TOL can be good, bad, ugly and irrelevant, informative and entertaining depending on-
My basic beliefs have remained in tact. Many misconceptions I had about my faith are gone and I see more logic behind my belief than I did before.
On the whole you are probably correct in your implicit statement from the question that we are not accomplishing a whole lot. I spend far to much time here. It's something I need to repent of if I want to get more accomplished in my life.
I've contemplated just quiting as I obviously have failed several times in my attempts to moderate what I do here. I hope I make the correct decision. There was a thread of this nature quite a while ago. It' was quite good. That repetition though is classic of this site. As far as addressing something new it rarely if ever happens and when it does it is likely dwelled upon for far to long.
Sure there's always the hope you affect someone and change them for the better. However if I spent my time trying to better myself and not worry as much about everyone else I would likely be better off and perhaps better capable of influencing others in my life. I am not going to say that the debate is utterly futile nor that it doesn't, at times, bring about good. But I am seriously thinking about forsaking it. I think I may have said enough at this point to be reaching the point of diminishing returns. Then there's always that stupid worry that's really unfounded that if I sware it off that someone will be able to undo any good I might have accomplished through any number of mediums.
TOL can be good, bad, ugly and irrelevant, informative and entertaining depending on-
My basic beliefs have remained in tact. Many misconceptions I had about my faith are gone and I see more logic behind my belief than I did before.
On the whole you are probably correct in your implicit statement from the question that we are not accomplishing a whole lot. I spend far to much time here. It's something I need to repent of if I want to get more accomplished in my life.
I've contemplated just quiting as I obviously have failed several times in my attempts to moderate what I do here. I hope I make the correct decision. There was a thread of this nature quite a while ago. It' was quite good. That repetition though is classic of this site. As far as addressing something new it rarely if ever happens and when it does it is likely dwelled upon for far to long.
Sure there's always the hope you affect someone and change them for the better. However if I spent my time trying to better myself and not worry as much about everyone else I would likely be better off and perhaps better capable of influencing others in my life. I am not going to say that the debate is utterly futile nor that it doesn't, at times, bring about good. But I am seriously thinking about forsaking it. I think I may have said enough at this point to be reaching the point of diminishing returns. Then there's always that stupid worry that's really unfounded that if I sware it off that someone will be able to undo any good I might have accomplished through any number of mediums.
OMEGA
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Krokodile Dummie,
Krokodile Dummie,
NEW GUY ,
I have been on this forum for over 5 years and
seen many people (like you) come and go .
I have had to Defend my opinions and
changed my outlook when more learned posters
presented their documentation.
It has made me Stronger in the Faith .
I find TOL one of the most TOLERANT forums on the Net.
and Knight is one of the BEST Webmasters on the Net.
If you doubt my word, try posting your opinions on the following forum and see how fast they BAN YOU .
http://www.christianwebsite.com/appiesboard/search.php?search_author=OMEGA3
Krokodile Dummie,
NEW GUY ,
I have been on this forum for over 5 years and
seen many people (like you) come and go .
I have had to Defend my opinions and
changed my outlook when more learned posters
presented their documentation.
It has made me Stronger in the Faith .
I find TOL one of the most TOLERANT forums on the Net.
and Knight is one of the BEST Webmasters on the Net.
If you doubt my word, try posting your opinions on the following forum and see how fast they BAN YOU .
http://www.christianwebsite.com/appiesboard/search.php?search_author=OMEGA3
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Redfin
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“The primary purpose of dialogue is to learn, that is, to change and grow in the perception and understanding of reality, and then to act accordingly. Minimally, the very fact that I learn that my dialogue partner believes "this" rather than "that" proportionally changes my attitude toward her; and a change in my attitude is a significant change in me. We enter into dialogue so that we can learn, change, and grow, not so we can force change on the other, as one hopes to do in debate--a hope realized in inverse proportion to the frequency and ferocity with which debate is entered into. On the other hand, because in dialogue each partner comes with the intention of learning and changing herself, one's partner in fact will also change. Thus the goal of debate, and much more, is accomplished far more effectively by dialogue.�
See - http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=579516#post579516
See - http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=579516#post579516
OMEGA
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DON'T CALL ME A SUCK UP
IF YOU THINK THIS FORUM IS TOUCHY
TRY AND POST ON THIS FORUM.
YOU WILL BE BANNED IN A SECOND .
http://www.christianwebsite.com/appiesboard/search.php?search_author=OMEGA3
IF YOU THINK THIS FORUM IS TOUCHY
TRY AND POST ON THIS FORUM.
YOU WILL BE BANNED IN A SECOND .
http://www.christianwebsite.com/appiesboard/search.php?search_author=OMEGA3
Re: Does TOL get us anywhere?
Honestly, yes. And I haven't even been here a year. My views on certain aspects of security and righteousness have changed. I used to believe that salvation could be lost, but now I know the difference between seasonal disobedience, and not being saved in the first place.Originally posted by heartless_Adam
Just out of interest; has anyone ever started out at TOL with one set of ideals or beleifs, then actualy had them changed by things that were said by other members?
The following article will prove this impossible: www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates62.html
From the article:
Cont. from the article:
One need only view the many threads and detailed arguments for and against Abortion on TOL to conclude Yates is right. There is no common logical structure to human reason. He goes on to say:"If we begin with the assumption that peoples cannot communicate, no one will ever have any reason to try. Disputes will be resolved not by any form of reason but by fighting it out."
Zakath
Resident Atheist
Re: Does TOL get us anywhere?
I know of several former posters who fit that profile...Originally posted by heartless_Adam
Just out of interest; has anyone ever started out at TOL with one set of ideals or beleifs, then actualy had them changed by things that were said by other members?
Balder
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Art,
Just because you're stuck in a rut and are incapable of "hearing" or grasping other peoples' arguments doesn't mean everyone is!
Seriously, the fact that people in different cultures and times have different structures behind their logic(s) doesn't mean that those structures are immutable. If they were, you never would have progressed past the first logical structures of your 5 year-old mind. (Resisting the urge to make a wisecrack. Bad Balder.) Certainly logic isn't universal, nor is it independent of human embodiment, human culture, or human development. But that knowledge can facilitate communication, not preclude it, once you get some grasp on the structures that inform different peoples' thought. This realization, in fact, is part of what informs the article Redfin posted.
If the author of the article you posted really has thrown in the towel and decided that communication is impossible and warfare and destruction of opponents are the only ways "forward" in the world, well, that is indeed sad. A self-fulfilling prophesy if I ever saw one. And a pretty harmful one at that.
B.
Just because you're stuck in a rut and are incapable of "hearing" or grasping other peoples' arguments doesn't mean everyone is!
Seriously, the fact that people in different cultures and times have different structures behind their logic(s) doesn't mean that those structures are immutable. If they were, you never would have progressed past the first logical structures of your 5 year-old mind. (Resisting the urge to make a wisecrack. Bad Balder.) Certainly logic isn't universal, nor is it independent of human embodiment, human culture, or human development. But that knowledge can facilitate communication, not preclude it, once you get some grasp on the structures that inform different peoples' thought. This realization, in fact, is part of what informs the article Redfin posted.
If the author of the article you posted really has thrown in the towel and decided that communication is impossible and warfare and destruction of opponents are the only ways "forward" in the world, well, that is indeed sad. A self-fulfilling prophesy if I ever saw one. And a pretty harmful one at that.
B.