We know that a lot of perversions were common in the Old Testament. :dizzy: You are what God calls :listen: unclean (Is. 52:1). :granite:
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Does Romans 7:1-3 affirm different rules for women and men regarding adultery?
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:banana: Misery 
each: each: each: loves company (1 Co 6:9-10). :idunno:
each: each: each: loves company (1 Co 6:9-10). :idunno:
Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "adultery," or the word that was translated "adultery."
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When the bible discusses what occurred in history, it isn't a ringing endorsement of it. :dizzy:
"Deut 21:15–17 has two wives. In the original, the words are rendered “has had two wives,” referring to events that have already taken place, evidently intimating that one wife is dead and another has taken her place. Moses, then, is not legislating on a polygamous case where a man has two wives at the same time, but on that of a man who has married twice in succession. The man may prefer the second wife and be exhorted by her to give his inheritance to one of her sons. The issue involves the principle of the inheritance of the firstborn (the right of primogenitor). The firstborn son of the man, whether from the favorite wife or not, was to receive the double portion of the inheritance. The father did not have the authority to transfer this right to another son. This did not apply to sons of a concubine (Gen. 21:9–13) or in cases of misconduct (Gen. 49:3, 4)." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 126). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
Not one of the 22 translations here renders it in the past tense.
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But the redefining did not...indeed could not break the following:
Matthew 5:18
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
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Mark 10:11-12
He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”
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It would seem that Chrstians cannot agree on what it means.
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Can anyone refute (through citing OT scripture) Yoḥanon-benYaʿăqov's assertion that:
The definition of adultery is very specific, and it has to be because it is a death penalty offense. If a legally married woman has sexual relations with any man other than her husband, she is guilty of adultery and by proxy makes her partner guilty of adultery as well. Both guilty parties are to be put to death. The only way that any man, either married or single, can be guilty of adultery is by having sexual relations with another man’s legal wife. Having sexual relations with another man’s piylegesh counted as theft or trespassing. If a married man has sexual relations with a single woman that is not adultery; and it is in fact the only way to acquire a piylegesh, or an additional contract wife for that matter.
(See here for his post)
If not then we have OT scripture advocating polygyny whilst prosribing polyandry. It would also mean that Jesus erred in Matthew 19:9.
The definition of adultery is very specific, and it has to be because it is a death penalty offense. If a legally married woman has sexual relations with any man other than her husband, she is guilty of adultery and by proxy makes her partner guilty of adultery as well. Both guilty parties are to be put to death. The only way that any man, either married or single, can be guilty of adultery is by having sexual relations with another man’s legal wife. Having sexual relations with another man’s piylegesh counted as theft or trespassing. If a married man has sexual relations with a single woman that is not adultery; and it is in fact the only way to acquire a piylegesh, or an additional contract wife for that matter.
(See here for his post)
If not then we have OT scripture advocating polygyny whilst prosribing polyandry. It would also mean that Jesus erred in Matthew 19:9.
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According to Yoḥanon-benYaʿăqov, there is one rule for women and another for men.
For women:
If a legally married woman has sexual relations with any man other than her husband, she is guilty of adultery and by proxy makes her partner guilty of adultery as well.
For men:
If a married man has sexual relations with a single woman that is not adultery...
Astonishing.
For women:
If a legally married woman has sexual relations with any man other than her husband, she is guilty of adultery and by proxy makes her partner guilty of adultery as well.
For men:
If a married man has sexual relations with a single woman that is not adultery...
Astonishing.
Adulterers :banana: don't go to heaven (1 Co 9-10, Ro 1:28-32). :burnlib:
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PeaceMakingPolygamist
Sonnet
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Adulterers :banana: don't go to heaven (1 Co 9-10, Ro 1:28-32). :burnlib:
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PeaceMakingPolygamist
Doesn't address what I wrote.
That appears to be an orthodox understanding of the verses. Was the man who posted this into Torah study?
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Are you accepting his assertion? I don't know if said poster is as you describe.
I am not accepting his assertion. However, if he is an Orthodox Jew and he is committed to Torah study, his assertion would be more accurate in description of Torah matters. The divide would come in when Jesus is added to this equation. Much deliberation goes into the meaning of the Torah through the eyes of the New Testament believer. There is much infighting on these matters among New Testament believers.
I will assert that the orthodox, Jewish perspective would be more accurate in reference to Torah revelation.
Unfortunately, your OP is relegated to New Testament matters by cited scripture. This means the infighting and discussion to solve this puzzle must take place for the purpose of gathering a more accurate sample of understanding from New Testament believers.
After going back and reading the previous posts, I can see that you have no solid answers to draw from. The best I could do is begin to express the various New Testament beliefs on this matter.
Would that help at all?
[MENTION=16283]Sonnet[/MENTION],
I'm reposting the scripture.
Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives?
2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him.
3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
This is your focus in this OP, so in conjunction with the previous quote from the orthodox gentleman (assuming he was), we are now led to study the cited scripture.
I'm reposting the scripture.
Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives?
2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him.
3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
This is your focus in this OP, so in conjunction with the previous quote from the orthodox gentleman (assuming he was), we are now led to study the cited scripture.
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Yet Jesus upheld the law. Not one letter or title would disappear.
That the OT appears to affirm the assertion of Yoḥanon-benYaʿăqov is troubling.
I would be left wondering if Jesus' view was congruous with the OT.
[MENTION=16283]Sonnet[/MENTION],
In conjunction with my initial response, I'm going to rattle off some common New Testament believers beliefs.
Belief 1) Adultry is infidelity that occurs by one spouse sleeping with someone other than their spouse.
- this belief has variations.
- some factor in psychological adultery (examples, flirting, extra marital relationship intimacy, masturbation, pornography)
- some demand more from the woman in these matters while others do not differentiate between the sexes)
....... ok, if I continue forward with this, would it assist in this matter. Many more beliefs and ramifications to express.
In conjunction with my initial response, I'm going to rattle off some common New Testament believers beliefs.
Belief 1) Adultry is infidelity that occurs by one spouse sleeping with someone other than their spouse.
- this belief has variations.
- some factor in psychological adultery (examples, flirting, extra marital relationship intimacy, masturbation, pornography)
- some demand more from the woman in these matters while others do not differentiate between the sexes)
....... ok, if I continue forward with this, would it assist in this matter. Many more beliefs and ramifications to express.
Accidental repost.