Does Luke 19:44 disprove Preterism?

[tetelestai]

Not sure, it depends how your read it.

Unless you read it with MAD sunglasses on it's crystal clear.

Nowhere in the bible does the singular word "generation" refer to multiple generations.

When more than one generation is referred to, they are always referred to with the plural word "generations".

It's really simple

(Col 1:26 KJV) Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

STP is claiming "this generation" refers to all men from Cain till today, and the future until Jesus returns.

Not exactly, but I do think it is possible that they were all of the same generation of vipers.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Unless you read it with MAD sunglasses on it's crystal clear.

Nowhere in the bible does the singular word "generation" refer to multiple generations.

When more than one generation is referred to, they are always referred to with the plural word "generations".

It's really simple

(Col 1:26 KJV) Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

How many generations are there in The Regeneration?

 

[tetelestai]

Not exactly, but I do think it is possible that they were all of the same generation of vipers.

The only generation in the Bible referred to as a generation of vipers were the Jews who were the contemporaries of Jesus in the first century.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

The only generation in the Bible referred to as a generation of vipers were the Jews who were the contemporaries of Jesus in the first century.

Possibly, but he links them to their fathers. And ultimately it goes back to Cain.

 

[tetelestai]

How many generations are there in The Regeneration?

A "regeneration" isn't a generation of people.

The word "regeneration" means an new-birth, a new beginning, a new order, etc.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

The word "regeneration" means an new-birth, a new beginning, a new order, etc.

Ok.

There is a generation before the regeneration.

 

[tetelestai]

Possibly, but he links them to their fathers. And ultimately it goes back to Cain.

He linked them to their fathers because that generation of Jews honored those who previously killed the prophets.

 

[tetelestai]

Ok.

There is a generation before the regeneration.

Yes, just like there was an Exodus generation before the next generation crossed the Jordan into the Promised Land.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

He linked them to their fathers because that generation of Jews honored those who previously killed the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

 

[tetelestai]

how do you handle the byzantine empire?

The Byzantine empire has nothing to do with Bible prophecy anymore than the Inquisitions do.

can you even consider it?

Nope

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Yes, just like there was an Exodus generation before the next generation crossed the Jordan into the Promised Land.

There also is a generation where the Lord is not on the throne of his glory, and the regeneration where the Lord is on the throne of his glory.

 

[tetelestai]

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Yes, they were obviously descendants of those who killed the prophets.

No one is guilty for being a descendant.

The point was that they honored their descendants for killing the prophets.

 

[tetelestai]

There also is a generation where the Lord is not on the throne of his glory, and the regeneration where the Lord is on the throne of his glory.

The Lord sat on His throne in 70AD.

The last generation of Jews before the Lord sat on His throne was the generation of Jesus' contemporaries.

That's the generation that is called "this generation" in the gospels.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

The Lord sat on His throne in 70AD.

The last generation of Jews before the Lord sat on His throne was the generation of Jesus' contemporaries.

That's the generation that is called "this generation" in the gospels.

I'm thinking of it more this way,

1. This generation- before things are made new, back to the fall
2. The regeneration- after things are made new, from the 2nd coming forward

 

[tetelestai]

1. This generation- before things are made new, back to the fall

Simple grammar does not support that.

Nowhere in the Bible does the phrase "this generation" ever refer to more than one specific generation.

 

[chrysostom]

The Byzantine empire has nothing to do with Bible prophecy anymore than the Inquisitions do.



Nope

so what does the thousand years mean?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Simple grammar does not support that.

Nowhere in the Bible does the phrase "this generation" ever refer to more than one specific generation.

I agree.

It's possible that this generation refers to all of the time before the 2nd coming. The regeneration refers to all of the time after the 2nd coming.

 

[tetelestai]

so what does the thousand years mean?

A really long time.

It's hyperbole.

In the OT, cattle on a "thousand hills" didn't mean exactly 1,000 hills, it meant a lot of hills.

 

[tetelestai]

It's possible that this generation refers to the time before the 2nd coming. The regeneration refers to the time after the 2nd coming.

Again, nowhere in the gospels did Jesus use the phrase "this generation" and refer to anyone else except the generation of His contemporaries.

If Jesus was referring to a different generation some 2,000 years into the future before His second coming, then proper grammar would warrant the phrase "that generation".

Go to biblegateway.com, do a word search for "this generation" in the KJV, and it's really easy to see that every time the phrase is used by Jesus it refers to His contemporaries.

It's impossible that "this generation" refers to a future generation.