Does God know the future?

[drbrumley]

This is ridiculous, and exactly how I said it would go. You always go astray in a debate and set your eyes on bickering over small, irrelevant, incoherant, stupid, off-the-subject remarks that do nothing to help further the argument for either side. The only reason you do this is because you cannot, nor have you ever, faced the reality and the truth of God's Word. You always, ALWAYS, ignore it and with your narrow vision, try to confuse things and steer the debate waaay off track by bringing up the most random, insincere, stupid remarks.

I've told you already, I'm not going to answer that question because I don't know. In my human intellect, I would dare not say whether you were fulfilling God's perfect plan for you because that would incline that

a) I know everything about how God is suppose to work
b) If God does anything outside of what I know about how He's 'suppose' to work, then He's in error

I'm not God's judge. I'm not going to say whether or not you're fulfilling His will for you, because I have no idea what His will for you may be.

Not to mention that our definition of 'God's will', or His plan for your life, or His desire for you, may all be different between the both of us. This will lead us to speaking past one another. I really do not, and will not diverge down the road of debating whether or not you are fulfulling God's perfect plan for you for reasons already stated. Primarily, it would be arrogant for anyone to suggest that they know the mind of God and that they are right with His will, or not.

Who knows such things. I'm not God, so I'm not going to pretend to be by answering your stupid question. Anyone would be a fool to think they can judge God's actions and another person's spiritual life, to suggest whether or not His will is being carried out or not in an individuals life.

Nice copout.

 

[drbrumley]

What is wrong with that?

Tragic indeed.

 

[Z Man]

What is wrong with that?

To Knight, you haven't answered a question unless you agree with him.

 

[DEVO]

Hey Robin did you catch this?

I altered Z Man's earlier statement to read

Here's my thinking; If it was predetermined for the man violently rape the young girl, he's going to do it anyways. When the time comes, the girl because he chose to, and yet, it was predestined long before time began. To make oneself feel more in 'control' they will say that they excersiced their 'freewill' to rape that young girl. But in all reality, God's the one in control, not us.

And asked him if he objected, and he responded:

If God predestined the death and murder of His only Son, why do you have a hard time believing that He can do the same to us ordinary, sinful humans?

Are you comfortable with that? Are you comfortable knowing God preplanned some pervert old man to rape and murder little girls? Is that how your god operates?

 

[Z Man]

LOL Man !!! I love this thread!!!

It's way too easy with you knuckle-heads!

Again.... it must suck to be you - Z Man you are a coward. Too afraid to answer a lil' ol' question.

Hey Z Man . . .
YES or NO, am I (as a heretic Open Theist) fulfilling God's perfect plan for me that He created a millennia ago?

I answered your question Knight. If it's not what you want to hear, I'm sorry. Go to one of your suck-ups and see if they'll agree with you, since you seem to need some sort of desperate answer right now.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

What is wrong with that?

Well for starters you didn't answer the question I asked. And secondly, you didn't answer the question I asked.

 

[Frank Ernest]

God's control and our responsibility go hand in hand. See above post to Knight that explains this using the Scriptures.

If God predestined the death and murder of His only Son, why do you have a hard time believing that He can do the same to us ordinary, sinful humans?

Because, as far as I know, God did not send me here to save the world from sin.

 

[drbrumley]

To be like Christ.

True, and we are like Christ when we become saved. So there's your will of God. You are already doing it by believing in the Christ. There is NOTHING you can do now cause your saved by faith not of works.

 

[Z Man]

Are you comfortable knowing God preplanned some pervert old man to rape and murder little girls? Is that how your god operates?

Are you comfortable knowing that God preplanned some pervert, mad, and insane men to beat, spit upon, mock, rip out the beard, and brutally punch the face in of our Lord Jesus Christ?

 

[Nathon Detroit]

I answered your question Knight. If it's not what you want to hear, I'm sorry. Go to one of your suck-ups and see if they'll agree with you, since you seem to need some sort of desperate answer right now.

Now you're a coward AND a liar!

You didn't answer the question in fact in your last post you stated....

I've told you already, I'm not going to answer that question because I don't know.

Yet earlier you stated you DID know when you claimed.... "You have no control over your life whatsoever."

:ha: Coward!

 

[drbrumley]

ZMan, why is it those who can comprehend the meaning of the word and then find themselves on the same site arguing the same thing makes someone a suckup. Pretty pathetic ZMan. Don't you use the brain God gave you?

 

[Agape4Robin]

Hey Robin did you catch this?

I altered Z Man's earlier statement to readAnd asked him if he objected, and he responded:Are you comfortable with that? Are you comfortable knowing God preplanned some pervert old man to rape and murder little girls? Is that how your god operates?

Listen, you callous....... :madmad:

I was the little girl who was raped by a sick man, but I'll do you one better....that "old man" was my own father for 5 years! I am still coming to terms with the role that abuse played in my life, but I don't fault God for it. "Though He slay me, yet I will trust Him."-Job

 

[drbrumley]

Are you comfortable knowing that God preplanned some pervert, mad, and insane men to beat, spit upon, mock, rip out the beard, and brutally punch the face in of our Lord Jesus Christ?

Jesus was God and HE ALLOWED IT to happen to Himself. He even said, he could have sent 10000 legions of angels, did he not?

 

[Z Man]

Now you're a coward AND a liar!

You didn't answer the question in fact in your last post you stated....

That was my answer; I DON"T KNOW. I'm not going to answer, persay, because Knight,

I

DON'T

KNOW.

Yet earlier you stated you DID know when you claimed.... "You have no control over your life whatsoever."

:ha: Coward!

Saying that you have no control over your life whatsoever and proclaiming that I know what God's perfect and ultimate will for your life is, are two totally different things.

 

[DEVO]

Listen, you callous....... :madmad:

Why are you mad at me Robin?

I have NO control over my life whatsoever . . . remember????

God ordained that I offend you.

 

[drbrumley]

Robin, Im sorry to hear that.

God has took the bad event and used it for His glory. Amen.But in noway does the remotely suggest He even allowed SUCH evil.

 

[Agape4Robin]

And another thing.........all events in my life have shaped me so that I may be who I am today. To God be the glory!

 

[Nathon Detroit]

That was my answer; I DON"T KNOW. I'm not going to answer, persay, because Knight,

I

DON'T

KNOW.

Oh man, this just keeps getting better. :chuckle:

Saying that you have no control over your life whatsoever and proclaiming that I know what God's perfect and ultimate will for your life is, are two totally different things.

Let me go slower so maybe you can understand . . .

YES or NO does anything ever happen that is not part of God's plan that He ordained a millennia ago?

 

[drbrumley]

And another thing.........all events in my life have shaped me so that I may be who I am today. To God be the glory!

AMEN!!!!!!

 

[Z Man]

ZMan, why is it those who can comprehend the meaning of the word and then find themselves on the same site arguing the same thing makes someone a suckup. Pretty pathetic ZMan. Don't you use the brain God gave you?

Ah, you must be one of 'em.

Jesus was God and HE ALLOWED IT to happen to Himself.

Ah, yes. But who was going to do the 'dirty' work of actually killing Him? Someone had to do it, and God picked them.

Acts 4:27-28
For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.