Did All Those Born Before Jesus Go To Hell ?

[Ben Masada]

One thing I have never been able to understand about Christianity is what happened to all those born before Jesus . If God sent Jesus to "redeem " mankind 2,000 years ago , why did he do this at that particular time ?
There had already been countless people on earth who lived and died . But what happened to them ? Did they go a a place called hell, one which many Non-Christians, including myself , don't even believe in ? It wasn't their fault they were born before Jesus .

Yes Horn, not only all those born before Jesus went to hell but also all those who have been born since then to this very day. Evidence? Almost every one of us has seen them die every day and been taken to the grave aka sheol aka hell. And mind you not to believe in any other kind of hell because there ain't.

 

[WonderfulLordJesus]

Thought I'd offer this up again, to give some here the opportunity to say the Lord Jesus didn't mean what He clearly taught, that the Bible doesn't mean what it says. Also, in the usual interest of fair warning, to anybody who may consider: do you really want the emphasis to change in your life, from denying truth, to a very rude awakening to the strong desire for simply a drop of water, with plenty of time to consider the cost of being a fool?

Luke 16

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Mark 9

42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

 

[jamie]

At the transfiguration of Jesus on the mountain, Moses and Elijah were with Him.

The transfiguration was a vision.

Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.” (Matthew 17:9 NKJV)​

 

[jamie]

Luke 16

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

The rich man pictured Israel, the people of Jacob. The beggar pictured the Gentiles.

Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”

And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” (Matthew 15:25-27 NKJV)​

 

[Ben Masada]

Thought I'd offer this up again, to give some here the opportunity to say the Lord Jesus didn't mean what He clearly taught, that the Bible doesn't mean what it says. Also, in the usual interest of fair warning, to anybody who may consider: do you really want the emphasis to change in your life, from denying truth, to a very rude awakening to the strong desire for simply a drop of water, with plenty of time to consider the cost of being a fool?

I am not too familiar with the cost of being a fool but, the real fool I can tell you, is the religious one who picks up the member of another religion to promote that of his own. That's called Replacement Theology. As you know, Jesus was a Jew and not a Christian and Christians have no qualms to use a Jew to promote Christianity. Is not that the case here? As we all are well aware, Jesus never converted to Christianity.

Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

It's a pity when a Christian chooses to discuss a Biblical text without even knowing the difference between a parable and a real event. The text about the Richman and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31 is a parable used by Jesus to teach about the role of the Law as the only way to prevent "hell-fire". Jesus was not implying that there is a hell-fire to torment sinners in the afterlife but to illustrate what he said in Mat. 5:18 that the Law would not pass away as long as heaven and earth were in existence. In saying a parable or allegory or reporting a dream or vision, every thing is allowed. Open season there is. But the truth is in the lesson the letter points to.

Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

And all these under Mark 9:42-48 are parables or allegories. As you know, Jesus, while preaching out in the public way-fare he used parables and, in the privacy of his disciples, he would explain what he meant.

 

[Ben Masada]

The rich man pictured Israel, the people of Jacob. The beggar pictured the Gentiles.

Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”

And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” (Matthew 15:25-27)​

Nice try Jamie but, no offense meant, there is not a single translation of the NT with your sweet addition of "little dogs". What Jesus said was that he would not take of the bread of the children and throw it unto the dogs. Not little dogs. And as the Canaanite woman acknowledge her condition of dog, and not "little dog", Jesus cured her daughter. But hey, as I said, your intention was sweet.​

 

[WonderfulLordJesus]

As you know, Jesus was a Jew... blah blah blah blah blah.

How is it that you, an unbeliever in Jesus Christ, hence somebody who doesn't get Christianity, think to comment on Christian theology? This is like saying, "I don't understand any of it, but here's what it means." Add to that you reject the mountain of prophecy in the Old Testament, with Christ stamped all over the pages. Is there any reason a Christian should expect a profitable conversation from somebody who rejects the very faith? Seems to me you're just trolling Christians, frankly.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Ben Masada]

The transfiguration was a vision.

Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.” (Matthew 17:9 NKJV)​

Since the son of man was a Jew, he is still in the grave. What resurrected was the Pauline doctrine that the son of man was son of God and that he resurrected from the dead. That's from II Tim. 2:8 and Acts 9:20. But when Jesus told his 3 disciples not to tell the vision to no one, it was a Catch-22 which means when a command is given to be obeyed by doing the opposite. That's why we all know what happened up there in the Mount Tabor. Peter, John and James knew that Jesus meant the opposite and told every one about the vision.

 

[Ben Masada]

How is it that you, an unbeliever in Jesus Christ, hence somebody who doesn't get Christianity, think to comment on Christian theology? This is like saying, "I don't understand any of it, but here's what it means." Add to that you reject the mountain of prophecy in the Old Testament, with Christ stamped all over the pages. Is there any reason a Christian should expect a profitable conversation from somebody who rejects the very faith? Seems to me you're just trolling Christians, frankly.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

And you continue in your err for ignoring reality. You ask me how a non-Christian can comment on Christianity and bla,bla,bla. Interesting to notice I have almost the same question to you. How can a non-Jew pick up a Jew to promote Christianity when Jesus never had any thing at all to do with Christianity? He never even dreamed that Christianity would ever rise. Can you answer my question? If you enjoy the freedom to do so, how is it that you refuse to acknowledge the same freedom to me as Christianity is concern? It seems to me you are trolling Jesus.

 

[Bradley D]

Wherever Enoch is, or Moses and Elijah, they can not be where Jesus is--- yet

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

LA

Where is the crucified criminal?

"Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43).

 

[chrysostom]

Yes they all went to Sheol or Hades.
Sheol had three compartments.

Paradise where the saved went (where Jesus went to loose them and bring them to heaven)

Tartarus where some fallen angels are held

Hades where the unbelievers still go

where do you get this stuff?

54 Bible results for “hell.”

0 Bible results for “hades.”

0 Bible results for “sheol.”

 

[jamie]

Where is the crucified criminal?

"Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43).

...but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
(Hebrews 3:13 NKJV)

For He is our God, and we are the people of His pasture, and the sheep of His hand. Today, if you will hear His voice do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion, as in the day of trial in the wilderness...
(Psalm 95:7-8 NKJV)

So I swore in My wrath, "They shall not enter My rest." (Psalm 95:11 NKJV)

Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you will hear His voice Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion in the day of trial in the wilderness..." (Hebrews 3:7-8 NKJV)​

Today is referring to this age. God's rest is the age to come.

 

[Bradley D]

...but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
(Hebrews 3:13 NKJV)

For He is our God, and we are the people of His pasture, and the sheep of His hand. Today, if you will hear His voice do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion, as in the day of trial in the wilderness...
(Psalm 95:7-8 NKJV)

So I swore in My wrath, "They shall not enter My rest." (Psalm 95:11 NKJV)

Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you will hear His voice Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion in the day of trial in the wilderness..." (Hebrews 3:7-8 NKJV)​

Today is referring to this age. God's rest is the age to come.

The Greek word sémeron means today, now. The same word is used in Hebrews 3:7. Do not wait till tomorrow to believe, tomorrow may be too late.

 

[jamie]

The Greek word sémeron means today, now.

It didn't mean now to Jesus. His spirit returned to God and his body was entombed for three days and three nights.

 

[George Affleck]

One thing I have never been able to understand about Christianity is what happened to all those born before Jesus . If God sent Jesus to "redeem " mankind 2,000 years ago , why did he do this at that particular time ?
There had already been countless people on earth who lived and died . But what happened to them ? Did they go a a place called hell, one which many Non-Christians, including myself , don't even believe in ? It wasn't their fault they were born before Jesus .

God is not restricted by linear time like we are. Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness.

In my finite wisdom it helps me to think of it this way:

We all die at the same instants. (No spelling mistake)

 

[George Affleck]

Nice try Jamie but, no offense meant, there is not a single translation of the NT with your sweet addition of "little dogs". What Jesus said was that he would not take of the bread of the children and throw it unto the dogs. Not little dogs. And as the Canaanite woman acknowledge her condition of dog, and not "little dog", Jesus cured her daughter. But hey, as I said, your intention was sweet.

Jubillee Bible 2000 "But he answered and said, It is not good to take the children's bread and to cast it to the little dogs."

 

[intojoy]

where do you get this stuff?



54 Bible results for “hell.”



0 Bible results for “hades.”



0 Bible results for “sheol.”

If I tell you I have to eliminate you. Don't worry about where I get it, just take it.

 

[chrysostom]

If I tell you I have to eliminate you. Don't worry about where I get it, just take it.

I am not worried about you are your stuff

just wanted to give you a chance to back up your stuff

 

[Timotheos]

If I tell you I have to eliminate you. Don't worry about where I get it, just take it.

Can you tell where you got "Sheol had three compartments"? I don't recall reading this in the Bible. Is this something your church teaches?

 

[intojoy]

I am not worried about you are your stuff



just wanted to give you a chance to back up your stuff

Ok god thanks