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Delmar's POD 11-3-14
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glorydaz
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I'll second that. :thumb:
MrDeets
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So you believe god determines all the cases of child rape and uses that for his purpose, EVERYTIME? At least the OV crowd can use the bible to explain evil, and don't try to pawn such horrible things off as "god's will". Thats absolutely VILE.
Nang
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Why do you equate a technical failure with deliberate and vile human sins?
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GOD has created a real world of cause and effect which man is free to act upon, because GOD has sovereignly ordained that man should have the good and mysterious gifts of self-consciousness and self-determination/free will.
To say that GOD is pulling every string, that all things are determined and that man is determined, is to ignore the real world that GOD has made and thus, live in a fantasy world.
Also, to say that GOD is pulling every string is the same as saying that there are no miracles because a true miracle is an interference with the cause and effect real world that GOD has made. If everything is a miracle, then.......nothing is.
MrDeets
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Who's technical failure?
Don't you believe that everything that happens is God's predetermined will? Down to the minutia of losing/finding car keys?
MrDeets
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Can God be wrong in his "foreknowledge"?
Not even a little bit.
Where do you find any of that in the Bible?
journey
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No.
Saved.One.by.Grace
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genuineoriginal
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What does the Bible say about it?
Amos 3:7 7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. |
Saved.One.by.Grace
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Ecclesiastes 1:5 - As you do not know what is the way of the wind, Or how the bones grow in the womb of her who is with child, So you do not know the works of God who makes everything.
Jeremiah 33:3 - 'Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.'
Mark 4:11, 12 - And He said to them, "To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, so that 'Seeing they may see and not perceive, And hearing they may hear and not understand; Lest they should turn, And their sins be forgiven them.' "
1 Corinthians 2:7 - But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
Ephesians 3:9 - and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
1 Timothy 3:16a - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
genuineoriginal
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Do the verses you posted counter the verse I posted?
God reveals what He will do to His prophets before He does them.
The passage actually supports Open Theism, since Jesus is saying that those that hear and understand can choose to turn and if they choose to turn their sins will be forgiven.
Paul is also saying that God reveals what He will do to His prophets before He does them.
Once again Paul is saying that God reveals what He will do to His prophets before He does them.
You are reaching for straws on this one.
What kind of godliness is Paul talking about?
The verse is about the natural laws that govern the world, not about hyper-calvinism.
Ecclesiastes 11:3-6 3 If the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth: and if the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there it shall be. 4 He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap. 5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all. 6 In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thine hand: for thou knowest not whether shall prosper, either this or that, or whether they both shall be alike good. |
This verse matches the one I posted.
God reveals what He will do to His prophets before He does them.
Nothing about hyper-calvinism in this passage, either.
The passage actually supports Open Theism, since Jesus is saying that those that hear and understand can choose to turn and if they choose to turn their sins will be forgiven.
You stopped short by a couple of verses.
1 Corinthians 2:9-10 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. |
Paul is also saying that God reveals what He will do to His prophets before He does them.
In this one you started a few verses too late.
Once again Paul is saying that God reveals what He will do to His prophets before He does them.
Ephesians 3:5-6 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: |
godliness?
You are reaching for straws on this one.
What kind of godliness is Paul talking about?
1 Timothy 3:1-3 1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; |
MrDeets
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Then free will is an illusion.