Dee Dee, convert me to preterism! (HOF thread)

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Gavin

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I know next to nothing about end times prophecy. I understand vaguely the different positions of preterism and futurism. I agree with just about everything you post, but I am not sure what to make of preterism.

If you can convince that preterism is biblical, I will convert. I know this is something you have thought a lot about so I will look forward to reading anything you have to say. Will you walk me through a straightforward case for preterism?

I will keep an open mind, but I will not convert to preterism if it is not taught by Scripture.

Futurists feel free to chime in as well.
 
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Wow!!! How did you know that title would get my attention!! Man, am I dreaming?? Okay, Gavin no problem, but let's go slow okay? Give me a bit of time.. I am finishing up a response to Smilax right now but I will get back with you soon.... or maybe you have a specific question/issue you would like to talk about?
 
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What you are whining about Cal... you are a preterist too.
 
smilax

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Gavin, it might help if you list your objections to the (brief) case I made for it in our debate on the sign gifts. That way, we won't have to reinvent the wheel.
 
Calvinist

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Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren
What you are whining about Cal... you are a preterist too.
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I am whining because, generally speaking, it's better to come to a doctrinal position based on reason and study instead of what appears to be "puppy-love"... aawww... :p
 
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That was a really stupid thing to say.. but then again, you're a Calvinist.
 
Gavin

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Sure, Dee Dee, just take it slow and walk me through it. Maybe you could start by explaining the difference between full-preterism (neo-hymenwhatever) and your view. Just remember that I will be gone for a few weeks during Christmas, starting early next week.

Smilax, was I arguing against preterism in "informal debate II"? I did not even realize it! :D
 
Gavin

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I am whining because, generally speaking, it's better to come to a doctrinal position based on reason and study instead of what appears to be "puppy-love"... aawww...
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Just for the record, I am asking a well-read preterist to give her case for preterism, so that, by reason and study, I can make a decision about it. Its just a form of education, Calvinist, not "puppy love".

I would like you to give me your thoughts on futurism, too, Calvinist. My motivation for starting this thread is just to learn about an issue I know nothing about, thats all.

So don't be jealous.;)
 
Calvinist

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Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren
That was a really stupid thing to say.. but then again, you're a Calvinist.
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I am with Mark Twain in thinking that any time you feel the need to modify an adjective you shouldn't.
 
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Dee Dee Warren

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Yeah, you're right. The word "calvinist" summed it up nicely.
 
Calvinist

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Originally posted by Gavin

Just for the record, I am asking a well-read preterist to give her case for preterism, so that, by reason and study, I can make a decision about it. Its just a form of education, Calvinist, not "puppy love".

I would like you to give me your thoughts on futurism, too, Calvinist. My motivation for starting this thread is just to learn about an issue I know nothing about, thats all.

So don't be jealous.;)
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The irony is that I am a fellow preterist...
 
Gavin

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The irony is that I am a fellow preterist...
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Really? What was all that in the back alley about debating DD about preterism?

I can never tell if people are being facetious or not! :doh:
 
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Originally posted by Gavin


Really? What was all that in the back alley about debating DD about preterism?

I can never tell if people are being facetious or not! :doh:
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No, see I am studying to debate her on postmillenialism (heresy)

vs. Amillenialism (Truth).
 
drbrumley

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Oh Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gavin, for the record my friend, the best bet is to study scriptures for yourself and let the holy spirit lead you. One thing you must understand is if your a good debater, you can prove just about anything and Dee Dee is a good debater. No question about that. But when you study preterism (even the kind Dee Dee promotes) Which is what I consider partial preterism, you will find that spiritualizing the scripures as they do, tend to get things pretty warped. You will see this after I take care of her in our debate. So hold off making a leap of faith in this manner.

Thank you and Dee Dee, I meant no ill will with this post, but I cannot allow someone to be swayed (even if they are willing) to subscribe to any form of preterism.
 
smilax

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Originally posted by drbrumley
But when you study preterism (even the kind Dee Dee promotes) Which is what I consider partial preterism, you will find that spiritualizing the scripures as they do, tend to get things pretty warped.
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Daniel ii, 39: "And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth."

John vi, 51: "I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

Hebrews x, 21: "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God."

No spiritualizing here! A literal bear will take over the world, Jesus's body turned into Wonderbread, and after He ascended, He sat down on top of God's right hand.

Gavin, if you'd like, I can give you the basics to relieve Dee Dee of the burden. I have all the time in the world.
 
Solly

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Gavin,

I have also been looking into praeterism (I am the President of the DDW fan club after all), and post millenialism - related but not equal issues. See DD's thread "Greetings from an orthodox priest [not, :eek:] praeterist"

While you are learning praeterism, you should try pushing DD to a Reformed view!!

peace in Him
 
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Hey DrB... No offense taken at all. I snatch compliments whereever I can, and I notice that you acknowledged my debating prowess. Thanks... you are about to learn just how good of a debater I actually am ;)
 
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