Nazaroo
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Thats not a witness to the incident, only a (convenient) witness
to a disposition that helps support the official story.
Country Singer Randy Howard shot dead in home by Bounty Hunter
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Thats not a witness to the incident, only a (convenient) witness
to a disposition that helps support the official story.
"Getting shot" doesn't usually fall into the traditional definition.
Were you a witness to this incident? If not, then your opportunities to foment conspiracy theories about it are endless.
Then why did you start a thread stating you know what happened? You said rights are eroded (they are) but not from what you posted.
A bounty hunter isn't law enforcement, and we did not invent it.
They don't, and that company does not exist any more.
shagster01
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Do you ever notice Naz always takes the side that has no evidence in an argument?
From the article:
Howard was facing charges in Marion County for “fourth offense DUI, possession of drug paraphernalia, possession of a gun while intoxicated and driving on a revoked license.”
Is possession of a gun while driving under the influence petty charges?
While I am sorry for the guy's family, I am relieved that he didn't mow down another family.
Frankly, his happy behind should have remained in jail until AFTER his trial. One would think after the first THREE DUI arrests he would be able to connect the dots.
GFR7
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Well, why didn't they remand him to rehab?
Did. I. Say. He. Should. Have. Been. Released?
Dumb!
Don't you think Nazaroo was widening his focus to include the man's dignity and humanity that were snuffed out by a gun? We are all much more than our bad habits or what believers call "sins." We are all real human beings with families and friends.
To declare it was "suicide by cop" reveals you can read his mind and guess accurately at his motives.
To include a cheap pun, I think you are "jumping the gun" here.
No.
Apparently you haven't read his ravings against drug using and drug possession in other threads. I have. He supports the most extreme prohibition measures in combating drug possession and use, for example:
But of course, when such extreme measures are implemented, as they were recently against a drug dealing biker gang, he responds by posting threads claiming that all of our constitutional rights are being infringed upon, such as this one:
WACO Biker Fiasco another Govt 'Murder Inc.' Scam?
According to neighbor Terry Dotson, a friend of Randy's who was going to take him to court for his hearing, Randy refused to go. “He said he wasn’t going back to jail. That’s what he told me,” Dotson said.
-- http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...-way-possible/
I'm afraid it was Randy Howard who "jumped the gun" in this case.
I have a step daughter with both bipolar disease and a meth habit. She has a daughter who is seriously addicted. One of my 15 grandchildren is also mired down in meth and other drugs.
I love them all and support them anytime they exhibit wishes to go into recovery or say or do something for themselves or others that comes from a good place inside them.
I feel the same about Howard. He is much, much more than his drug habits and his delusions about reality.
I think we all have good intentions. It's just that we can all easily come to the point where the choices we make to satisfy those underlying urges are too often bad, useless and dangerous.
But to me that does not warrant my condemnation of others.
I share your sentiments.
shagster01
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This is a great point. I'd love to hear how this situation didn't go exactly according to his plan when he said that.
Again, here are his words:
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3868555&postcount=7300
Nazaroo
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Thanks for sticking up for me here, which is a surprise!
As somewhat of a fundamentalist, you should know that
the main reason I don't like people being executed for relatively minor warrant/bail issues,
is that I must stand with Ezekiel and God (Ezekiel 18)
in accepting that if a man is still walking (living), there is hope for repentance.
Arbitrary killing is murder. (Exodus 20:1-15)
Its true I don't know what happened exactly in this case,
but I certainly am not going to naively accept the 'bounty hunter's version
without eyewitness corroboration.
And yes, I also take seriously Jesus' statement about
ordinary people (like the poor) being worth more than many sparrows.
And also that people are the property of God alone.
When you kill people, you are messing with someone else's property.
Nazaroo
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It would be obvious, if you a careful reader.
(1) The outstanding warrants are now irrelevant, since he was at home,
and not committing any crime.
Had he been gunned down driving DIY,
I would have supported the police, who would have been
eliminating a danger to the public.
Had he been shot while dealing dope, even by a gangster,
I would have cheered. And cheered for the gangster's arrest too.
(2) Killing a man in his own home by violating or exploiting his right to
self-defence is a very bad policy, since it sets a precedent
for illegal activity of police.
Everyone should be aware of the dangers of granting police
excessive powers, and even more so granting 'bounty hunters' similar powers.
(3) Having a private contractor execute bail warrants is the stupidest idea
ever invented by Americans, and believe me the competition is high.
This outcome is precisely why police shouldn't delegate important tasks.
Subcontract parking tickets. subcontract school lectures.
Subcontract emergency evacuation assistance.
But don't subcontract explosive arrest situations.
A lone 'bounty hunter' motivated by money is the worst possible scenario.
Its also very likely that he was underpowered and unprepared at the least,
for an arrest.
Bounty hunters a people with huge egos who fancy themselves
as hunting human beings, and who want to prove their macho.
Even without the money motivation, this is an incredibly stupid idea.
A visit by multiple properly trained and screened law enforcement,
not motivated by any monetary gain would have been appropriate.
Essentially, you are legalizing the hunting of humans,
and granting private licenses.
If you don't see a problem with that, carry on with the experiment.
Is that what happened in this case?
Nazaroo
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As I originally stated,
An effective way to enforce prohibition of a drug,
is to publicly execute those who are bold and stupid enough to break the law,
and do it swiftly at the scene of the crime, and televise it.
He could have and should have been shot during a DUI.
He could have been shot while selling drugs.
But if you are in the process of legalizing pot in every state in the USA,
then what you should be doing to avoid transparent hypocrisy,
is to release those in prison ALREADY incarcerated for something
you now are going to accept as legal activity.
I'm against legalizing ANY drug, including alcohol, which is
an industrial solvent that has caused more misery than any other drug so far.
But if you make it legal, or simply regulate it to get rich off taxes,
then let the people out of jail.
If you're not going to execute people for wreckless endangerment
or negligent homicide for DUI, then don't shoot people who
refuse to get out of bed for a bench warrant.