Tell that to the families of all the Christian martyrs.
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Tell that to the families of all the Christian martyrs.
Why should I? Jesus does not force His teaching to anyone who does not want to follow.
jsanford108
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I like you, Bright Raven. You just tell it like it is.
Tell them why they should not have protected their families.
Protestants and RCC unit to kill their enemy against Jesus' word.
Your Lord is not Jesus.
You are lying to God by saying you follow Jesus.
jsanford108
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Thus far, you have not provided any proof or evidence for your stance. You just keep throwing around phrases and views. Not yet have you provided substantial proof for your reasoning. I will even give you that Jesus said "to love thy enemy," but when confronted with the misapplication of modern connotations to "love," you have no response. Please, bring us proof of your points. Show us logic and rational. Just show us Biblical evidence that refutes our common sense approach.
Lying will not get you anywhere:
here is Jesus word of "love your enemy".
pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
Jesus followers should not endorse any kind of violent practice such as joining the military.
Here is my verses to back up my claim:
Luke 6:27-36 King James Version)
27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32For if ye love them which love you what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34And if ye to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Fatheralso is merciful.
and some more:
Matthew 26:52
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."
John 18:36
And His faithful disciple harmonize with Jesus' word:
For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. (2 corinthian 10:4-5)
Romans 12:17-21
17Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
II Corinthians 10:3,4
"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds."
Ephesians 6:12
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
jsanford108
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Excellent points. Thank you for providing evidence for your claim.
Let us examine Luke 6:36, in particular. Was God merciful to Jericho? Or Sodom? Or Goliath?
Also, we are called to "turn the other cheek." How many cheeks do you have? Logically, that means it is a two strike deal. Also, Christ never said not to duck. Applying common sense to these verses does not illicit a liberal passivity. Rather, a logical and reasonable approach of hoping and praying for the best, but preparing for the worst. Like the parable of those asleep. They have take the passive approach. The "let God provide" approach. But when the time comes, they are not ready. Why? Because they were not ready and prepared for anything.
Let us examine Luke 6:36, in particular. Was God merciful to Jericho? Or Sodom? Or Goliath?
Also, we are called to "turn the other cheek." How many cheeks do you have? Logically, that means it is a two strike deal. Also, Christ never said not to duck. Applying common sense to these verses does not illicit a liberal passivity. Rather, a logical and reasonable approach of hoping and praying for the best, but preparing for the worst. Like the parable of those asleep. They have take the passive approach. The "let God provide" approach. But when the time comes, they are not ready. Why? Because they were not ready and prepared for anything.
I will not debate what Jesus says with you. Your claim is obviously twisted one. You are trying to justify your denial of Jesus' word. This message is self explanatory.
sad.
jsanford108
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Yet you deny that Christ and the Father are one? Sounds a little hypocritical and dismissive.
CherubRam
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Answer on the other thread.
CherubRam
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We are also called to be ONE / in unity. John 17:11
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.
Of course they are one in spirit. We are one with them if we are true Jesus' followers.
You are only a lip servers because you say Jesus is God yet, you disregard or deny His word.
that is hypocrisy and you are mocking God with your kind of faith.
She follows 4 books only. Red text only.
Don't waste your breath. We all think you have better things to do
jsanford108
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This is one of the best comments. TulipBee, you are awesome.