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gcthomas
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Yeah, I'm afraid I assumed people on Web forums just Google unfamiliar terms.
Saved.One.by.Grace
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And some people are just too stupid to recognize sarcasm.
gcthomas
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:up: That is what the emoticons are for.
Barbarian notes tetalasti's refusal to even read the evidence:
Yep, you've been immunized against facts. You've become a true believer, completely immune to reality.
I just showed you a claim and the evidence for it. If you think that's being a...
...then we have found your problem. You guys respond to evidence the way Lucille Ball responded to a mouse. BTW, if you took the blinders off for a moment, you'd see that I pointed out one prediction of warming that missed a bit.
This might be a difficult concept for some, but if you openly admit error, you don't become less credible. You become more credible. Try it. It works. Honesty is more than a good policy; it's safer.
How unfortunate for your people that the current year's temp for the world is almost certainly going to be a new record high.
Barbarian, regarding tetalasti's unwillingness to even look at information challenging his assumptions:
They have you right where they want you.
Rocket mutters:
Comes down to evidence. And that's all we need to say about that.
Yep, you've been immunized against facts. You've become a true believer, completely immune to reality.
I just showed you a claim and the evidence for it. If you think that's being a...
...then we have found your problem. You guys respond to evidence the way Lucille Ball responded to a mouse. BTW, if you took the blinders off for a moment, you'd see that I pointed out one prediction of warming that missed a bit.
This might be a difficult concept for some, but if you openly admit error, you don't become less credible. You become more credible. Try it. It works. Honesty is more than a good policy; it's safer.
How unfortunate for your people that the current year's temp for the world is almost certainly going to be a new record high.
Barbarian, regarding tetalasti's unwillingness to even look at information challenging his assumptions:
They have you right where they want you.
Rocket mutters:
Comes down to evidence. And that's all we need to say about that.
tetelestai notes (I don't normally refer to myself in the third person) that Barbarian just replied to a post by Rocketman, but thinks it was tetelestai.
I note that Barbarian is an illeist.
Illeism - The act of referring to oneself (often habitually) in the third person.
Saved.One.by.Grace
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So you're saying you are too stupid to recognize sarcasm unless an emoticon is used. Noted.
Tetalasti mutters:
Barbarian chuckles:
An illeist, willing to accept evidence. And you are not.
Which is why you keep running into walls here.
As you see, the climate models accuratedly predicted the warming trend of the past decade, and unless things get very cold, very quickly, 2014 will be the hottest year on record.
Barbarian chuckles:
An illeist, willing to accept evidence. And you are not.
Which is why you keep running into walls here.
As you see, the climate models accuratedly predicted the warming trend of the past decade, and unless things get very cold, very quickly, 2014 will be the hottest year on record.
And the winter of 2014 was one of the coldest on record also so, what is your point? 2014 is also set to be one of the coldest as well as the hottest years, your cherry picking of the data to prop up your lie is noted..:juggle:
It's hard for me take an illeist serious, let alone an illeist who also thinks he is Chicken Little.
There is more Arctic Ice today than there was in 2012, and there is a record amount of Antarctic sea ice today, more than ever before.
But, you can keep pretending it's getting hotter.
False. Climate and weather are very different things.
It's actually much easier to understand and predict the climate than it is to understand and predict the weather. Weather is a short-term phenomenon, requiring detailed specific knowledge of a wide swathe of the atmosphere. Climate is averaged and aggregated for a region over time, and the aggregation and averaging removes a lot of the momentary uncertainty.
Here is a statement about the weather: "I think that it is going to rain here tomorrow." Note that it is specific in terms of time, place and event.
And here is a statement about climate. See if you can spot the difference: "On average, this region receives 18.6 - 25.8 inches of precipitation per year." Note that this is neither specific to a time or any given event, nor does is specify a very specific area. It is an entirely different type of statement. The former is useful to decide how you might dress tomorrow, and whether you should plan on going to a softball game. The later is useful in deciding if you should try to raise a crop, and what type of crop it should be.
And also notice that one has only a very small impact on the other. Can you tell anything about the average rainfall per year from a prediction that it will likely rain tomorrow? No, you cannot. It doesn't rain much in the desert, but when it does, it often rains a lot. Can you predict whether or not it will rain tomorrow based upon the average aggregate precip? No, not much, not unless the average is so high or so low as to almost guarantee one answer. But even that wouldn't be a weather forecast really.
Global warming, taken the wrong way, gives the impression that the theory involves increasing temperatures everywhere at all times. But nothing so drastic is predicted by any theory. Which is part of the reason that some people prefer the term climate change. But then, climate change doesn't reflect very well what is changing or how.
Barbarian observes:
As you see, the climate models accuratedly predicted the warming trend of the past decade, and unless things get very cold, very quickly, 2014 will be the hottest year on record.
Rocket fires back:
Someone's had a little fun with your trust in them. In fact, the winter of 2014, while rather cool using the current decade as a meaure, was the ninth hottest winter, ever (DJF).
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
My point? Once you stop thinking for yourself, and let other people lead you around, you're going to be making a lot of goofs like the one you just did.
Not remotely possible. The first (x) hundred numbers are negative. Do you even think what you write?
Surprise. Next time, think for yourself instead of trusting people who see you as nothing more than cannon fodder in the war on science.
As you see, the climate models accuratedly predicted the warming trend of the past decade, and unless things get very cold, very quickly, 2014 will be the hottest year on record.
Rocket fires back:
Someone's had a little fun with your trust in them. In fact, the winter of 2014, while rather cool using the current decade as a meaure, was the ninth hottest winter, ever (DJF).
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
My point? Once you stop thinking for yourself, and let other people lead you around, you're going to be making a lot of goofs like the one you just did.
Not remotely possible. The first (x) hundred numbers are negative. Do you even think what you write?
Surprise. Next time, think for yourself instead of trusting people who see you as nothing more than cannon fodder in the war on science.
tetalasti tries a little cherry-picking:
You let your enthusiasm get away with you, again...
Here's the graph for Arctic sea ice exent (averages for 1980s, 1990s, 2000, and the last four years:
I warned you before about uncritically accepting claims without checking for yourself. You got snookered again.
Bet you a chocolate chip cookie, that in January, 2014 will turn out to be in the top 3 all-time hottest years.
Wanna bet?
You let your enthusiasm get away with you, again...
Here's the graph for Arctic sea ice exent (averages for 1980s, 1990s, 2000, and the last four years:
I warned you before about uncritically accepting claims without checking for yourself. You got snookered again.
Bet you a chocolate chip cookie, that in January, 2014 will turn out to be in the top 3 all-time hottest years.
Wanna bet?
You guys use 1979 as a base line for the Arctic Ice.
In 1979 all the climatologists and Chicken Littles were telling us an ice age was coming. 1979 was the apex of the cooling period.
The earth then went through a warming period after the cooling period of the 60's & 70's, and now is going through another cooling period. It has nothing to do with man.
Myth of Arctic meltdown: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore's prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now
tetelesti writes:
There is more Arctic Ice today than there was in 2012, and there is a record amount of Antarctic sea ice today, more than ever before.
(Barbarian shows that the Arctic ice in the last four years has been significantly lower than in previous years)
Nope. Notice that the levels for the 80s, 90s, and 2000s, were higher than has been in the last four years. It continues to decline. You were trying to cherry-pick 2012, which happened to have an extraordinary reduction. But as you see, Every year in this decade so far has been below the average for the previous decade.
Sorry, you were suckered on that story, too...
However, these are media articles, not scientific studies. A survey of peer reviewed scientific papers from 1965 to 1979 show that few papers predicted global cooling (7 in total). Significantly more papers (42 in total) predicted global warming (Peterson 2008). The large majority of climate research in the 1970s predicted the Earth would warm as a consequence of CO2. Rather than 1970s scientists predicting cooling, the opposite is the case.
http://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm
Figure 1: Number of papers classified as predicting global cooling (blue) or warming (red). In no year were there more cooling papers than warming papers (Peterson 2008).
You'd be harder to fool, if you started thinking for yourself.
There is more Arctic Ice today than there was in 2012, and there is a record amount of Antarctic sea ice today, more than ever before.
(Barbarian shows that the Arctic ice in the last four years has been significantly lower than in previous years)
Nope. Notice that the levels for the 80s, 90s, and 2000s, were higher than has been in the last four years. It continues to decline. You were trying to cherry-pick 2012, which happened to have an extraordinary reduction. But as you see, Every year in this decade so far has been below the average for the previous decade.
Sorry, you were suckered on that story, too...
However, these are media articles, not scientific studies. A survey of peer reviewed scientific papers from 1965 to 1979 show that few papers predicted global cooling (7 in total). Significantly more papers (42 in total) predicted global warming (Peterson 2008). The large majority of climate research in the 1970s predicted the Earth would warm as a consequence of CO2. Rather than 1970s scientists predicting cooling, the opposite is the case.
http://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm
Figure 1: Number of papers classified as predicting global cooling (blue) or warming (red). In no year were there more cooling papers than warming papers (Peterson 2008).
You'd be harder to fool, if you started thinking for yourself.
Science Magazine
July 1971
July 1971
New York Times
January 5, 1978
"An international team of specialists has concluded from eight indexes of climate that there is no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years, at least in the Northern Hemisphere."
January 5, 1978
"An international team of specialists has concluded from eight indexes of climate that there is no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years, at least in the Northern Hemisphere."
New York Times
December 29, 1974
December 29, 1974
March 31, 1973
