ECT Christ the mediator
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The Heavenly Jerusalem includes all of the living stones of it, not just the contents.
and outside are those mortals yet to enter it themselves.
The millennium picture is that of the Heavenly Jerusalem on the existing earth--
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
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Yes, the 'existing' earth THEN, not now. It has already been made the NHNE, with a different kind of corporeality.
This existing earth now must be transformed according the original intention of God given to man in Genesis ch 1.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Eze 47:5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
Eze 47:6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
Eze 47:7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
Eze 47:8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
Eze 47:9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
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How does it "exist by faith"?
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LA,
you're still quoting things in a passage of Rev when the NHNE is already in place... Not that 'Thens' in the Rev are our sense of time. 'Kai' is most often simply 'And' in English and means 'add this on to what I just told you' We find this in Mt 24A's 'list' of things all happening at once: persecution, calamity, revolution. 'Kai' means all at the same time.
you're still quoting things in a passage of Rev when the NHNE is already in place... Not that 'Thens' in the Rev are our sense of time. 'Kai' is most often simply 'And' in English and means 'add this on to what I just told you' We find this in Mt 24A's 'list' of things all happening at once: persecution, calamity, revolution. 'Kai' means all at the same time.
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The 'replenish' the earth was an answer to 'tohu wa-bohu' (formless and void) which was the condition of earth when creative acts started. THAT needed to be returned to intended condition. We are twice removed from that, because when the Noah cataclysm happened everything physical about this world drastically changed, from climate, to longevity, to giantism, to oxygen %, to the appearance of the crust, to the shape of oceans, etc. We are not supposed to make this post-cataclysm world go back to Eden, nor could we.
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The Jerusalem above is NOT a "Jerusalem that exists by faith".
That is some garbage that you got from one of your million commentaries and NOT from the Bible.
So, AGAIN, WITHOUT CHAPTER BLASTING..... show some scripture that would prove your nonsense.
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SaulToPaul 2
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We certainly are not, but the LORD shall remake it.
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Yes, he cannot support any of the vague generalities he subscribes to...from scripture.
Fantasy Island Commentary Club Member.
Interplanner
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It's another thread now. The prospects for the city of Jerusalem were so abject that the purpose of this theme in the NT is to inspire hope and connection to all the believers of the past, not to Israel of the past, but only to those who were believers, Heb 10:39.
'The righteous will live by faith' (v38) is one of the classic appeals to Israel the nation that only those who had faith were the true Israel; it shows the same distinction rom 11 made in its own way later.
God has never blanket-approved any race ever.
Race as a family type, yes, GOD most certainly did pick the family of Jacob/Israel over others.
GOD made promises to that family that He did not make to other families.
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More rambling nonsense from the wordy and weasel wordy commentarian.
Rom 9:7 (AKJV/PCE)
(9:7) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
And, of course, you'll have some way to weasel out of that one.
God chose Israel for a purpose on the earth. You don't like it. Too bad.
That's what it boils down to.
IP hates how GOD works, so he spiritualizes it all to fit his own perverted agenda.
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The purpose is explained in the NT and is spiritually mature and is the mission to the nations. It is totally clear if you would spend 10x more time reading the NT than posting on TOL.
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The selection of only some of the physical descendants was meant to show there has always been a qualification. It was faith, though; he never meant a sub group. He was getting to the arrival of Christ who fathered no one, but gives birth by faith.
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I never said that UNBELIEVING Israel would receive the kingdom.
The body of Christ is NOT the Israel of God.
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Good to hear that you don't give credit to unbelief even if the person is DNA Israel.
The Israel of God exists by faith, so it includes Christians of all kinds, Rom 9:26.
The Israel of God exists by faith, so it includes Christians of all kinds, Rom 9:26.
Hosea was about Israel.
All the children of Gomer were descriptive of Israel.
GOD would call them His people.
Then He would not call them His people.
Then He would call them His people again.
"Them" is always Israel.