Can a Christian be a Prosecutor?

[Jacob]

... such as: a man running in front of a speeding truck to commit suicide (it happened to one of my customers and he was jailed, license suspended and it took almost eight months to get cleared of all charges, even though the man who committed suicide had been treated for mental illness and had several suicide attempts.

... such as someone reacting in a fight situation with a criminal and accidentally killing or otherwise wounding them. Placing someone at risk of a long-term prison sentence without taking all facts into consideration simply shouldn't happen.

Personally, I believe that one's right to privacy should be thrown out the window when they have committed a crime. The court system shouldn't discard evidence found in a search simply because the search warrant didn't include the evidence that was recovered.

Interesting things to think about. I hadn't thought about these things to this level. I guess I am unfamiliar with the law concerning search warrants. Are you saying a crime must have already been communicated by a person in order for their home to be searched for example?

A struggle or fight where someone gets injured who meant to injure is also difficult, because it means that likely someone else has injured them which is not supposed to happen in a perfect world (who says what a perfect world is anyways?).

Also, amazing story that he was finally cleared!

 

[Aimiel]

Yes, but the trucker didn't do anything to cause his death other than be going 65 MPH on a 65 MPH portion of I-75 when the clown threw himself in front of his truck. He still drives a truck but will drive on the other side of the highway if he sees any pedestrians at all.

 

[Jacob]

Yes, but the trucker didn't do anything to cause his death other than be going 65 MPH on a 65 MPH portion of I-75 when the clown threw himself in front of his truck. He still drives a truck but will drive on the other side of the highway if he sees any pedestrians at all.

Are there laws at that speed about hitting people?

 

[Aimiel]

None that would be applicable to someone who struck a fool who jumped in front of his vehicle on purpose with absolutely no room for braking or steering away (as witnesses described). Being unable to stop in assured clear distance ahead doesn't apply to last-second jumping fools.

 

[Jacob]

None that would be applicable to someone who struck a fool who jumped in front of his vehicle on purpose with absolutely no room for braking or steering away (as witnesses described). Being unable to stop in assured clear distance ahead doesn't apply to last-second jumping fools.

That makes sense enough. Is the Interstate protected by barrier or signage or must it be public knowledge to not cross or be a last-second jumping fool?

 

[Aimiel]

No pedestrians signage, common sense and suicide risks should be in a long-sleeved jacket that buckles in the back, so: yeah, all three.

 

[Jacob]

No pedestrians signage, common sense and suicide risks should be in a long-sleeved jacket that buckles in the back, so: yeah, all three.

There are different things involved. I am glad he was cleared. So long as those are the facts. I do not understand suicide. If it was something else that is not apparent.

 

[jgarden]

A soldier of the civil authority must be taught not to kill men and to refuse to do so if he is commanded, and to refuse to take an oath. If he is unwilling to comply, he must be rejected for baptism. A military commander or civic magistrate must resign or be rejected. If a believer seeks to become a soldier, he must be rejected, for he has despised God.
— Hippolytus of Rome

One soul cannot be due to two masters—God and Cæsar. And yet Moses carried a rod, and Aaron wore a buckle, and John (Baptist) is girt with leather and Joshua the son of Nun leads a line of march; and the People warred: if it pleases you to sport with the subject. But how will a Christian man war, nay, how will he serve even in peace, without a sword, which the Lord has taken away? For albeit soldiers had come unto John, and had received the formula of their rule; albeit, likewise, a centurion had believed; still the Lord afterward, in disarming Peter, unbelted every soldier. No dress is lawful among us, if assigned to any unlawful action.
— Tertullian, On Idolatry Chapter 19: Concerning Military Service

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_pacifism
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Conservatives advocate a "literal interpretation" of the Bible and often claim that early Christianity was the closest approximation of the true faith!

Conservatives, however, are also strong supporters of nationalism, patriotism and military service, all beliefs that run counter to Christian teachings and the pronouncements of its early leaders (ie. Hippolytus,Tertullian)!

This was based on the premise that Man cannot serve 2 Masters, whereby the goals and methods associated with a "secular" state are not compatible with those of Christianity!

 

[ok doser]

cool story bro

 

[way 2 go]

If we have forgiveness for sin in Jesus Christ, what does that say for capital punishment?

Jesus is for capital punishment.

Luk_19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

 

[Crucifer]

A soldier of the civil authority must be taught not to kill men and to refuse to do so if he is commanded, and to refuse to take an oath. If he is unwilling to comply, he must be rejected for baptism. A military commander or civic magistrate must resign or be rejected. If a believer seeks to become a soldier, he must be rejected, for he has despised God.
— Hippolytus of Rome

One soul cannot be due to two masters—God and Cæsar. And yet Moses carried a rod, and Aaron wore a buckle, and John (Baptist) is girt with leather and Joshua the son of Nun leads a line of march; and the People warred: if it pleases you to sport with the subject. But how will a Christian man war, nay, how will he serve even in peace, without a sword, which the Lord has taken away? For albeit soldiers had come unto John, and had received the formula of their rule; albeit, likewise, a centurion had believed; still the Lord afterward, in disarming Peter, unbelted every soldier. No dress is lawful among us, if assigned to any unlawful action.
— Tertullian, On Idolatry Chapter 19: Concerning Military Service

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_pacifism
********************************************
Conservatives advocate a "literal interpretation" of the Bible and often claim that early Christianity was the closest approximation of the true faith!

Conservatives, however, are also strong supporters of nationalism, patriotism and military service, all beliefs that rum counter to Christian teachings and the pronouncements of its early leaders (ie. Hippolytus,Tertullian)!

This was based on the premise that Man cannot serve 2 Masters, whereby the goals and methods associated with a "secular" state are not compatible with those of Christianity!

Through the early stage of Christianity, Christians felt a strong need to separate themselves from Rome. Early writers- particularly Tertullian, Hippolytus, and Origen were all fond of pacifism because it maintained such separation.
Not only was Rome pagan and often punishing people for not participating in their traditions, but to fight alongside or defend them was to defend that very evil in the eyes of a lot of early Christians.

But even then, the pacifists were a minority. There's no compelling evidence to show that pacifism was ever really a central notion- Christianity didn't 'lose it's way' but rather those like St Augustine emerged when Christianity had finally gotten hold of Rome and corrected that misdirection. He authored the 'Just War' doctrine and it's stuck for the past 1500 years since.
The problem with pacifism is that it's completely alien to the general understanding of the Abrahamic God. There's never a point He has ever called anyone to pacifism, and it would be very strange that He would call us to such after passionately explaining His will to eventually turn the world into a burnt meatball.

 

[jgarden]

Through the early stage of Christianity, Christians felt a strong need to separate themselves from Rome. Early writers- particularly Tertullian, Hippolytus, and Origen were all fond of pacifism because it maintained such separation.
Not only was Rome pagan and often punishing people for not participating in their traditions, but to fight alongside or defend them was to defend that very evil in the eyes of a lot of early Christians.

But even then, the pacifists were a minority. There's no compelling evidence to show that pacifism was ever really a central notion- Christianity didn't 'lose it's way' but rather those like St Augustine emerged when Christianity had finally gotten hold of Rome and corrected that misdirection. He authored the 'Just War' doctrine and it's stuck for the past 1500 years since.
The problem with pacifism is that it's completely alien to the general understanding of the Abrahamic God. There's never a point He has ever called anyone to pacifism, and it would be very strange that He would call us to such after passionately explaining His will to eventually turn the world into a burnt meatball.

1. Despite intense persecution by the Roman Empire prior to Emperor Constantine, there is no record of Christians participating in a revolt or any attempt to use force against their oppressors, no matter the justification.

2. Even with the introduction of Constantine, an Emperor much more sympathetic to Christianity. many Christians remained conflicted about having allegiances with any secular power, which gave rise to the monastic orders whereby followers deliberately separated themselves from the influences of the outside world.

3. The alliance with Constantine resulted in Christianity becoming a "victim of its own success," becoming a "mirror image" of the Empire and culminating in the "imperial church" which often overshadowed the Christian message.
- massive basilicas and cathedrals designed to impress believers and the world of Christianity's material success
- hierarchical clergy (popes, cardinals, archbishops, bishops .....)
- rituals. dogma, indulgences, religious pomp, ceremonies ...
- secular manoeuvring and alliances
- the "just war" that would often pit one Christian nation against - religious wars
- using religion to justify the existence of secular rulers (ie. kings)

 

[Jacob]

Jesus is for capital punishment.

Luk_19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Is this a court of law where the judge renders the decision of God?

 

[Jacob]

A soldier of the civil authority must be taught not to kill men and to refuse to do so if he is commanded, and to refuse to take an oath. If he is unwilling to comply, he must be rejected for baptism. A military commander or civic magistrate must resign or be rejected. If a believer seeks to become a soldier, he must be rejected, for he has despised God.
— Hippolytus of Rome

One soul cannot be due to two masters—God and Cæsar. And yet Moses carried a rod, and Aaron wore a buckle, and John (Baptist) is girt with leather and Joshua the son of Nun leads a line of march; and the People warred: if it pleases you to sport with the subject. But how will a Christian man war, nay, how will he serve even in peace, without a sword, which the Lord has taken away? For albeit soldiers had come unto John, and had received the formula of their rule; albeit, likewise, a centurion had believed; still the Lord afterward, in disarming Peter, unbelted every soldier. No dress is lawful among us, if assigned to any unlawful action.
— Tertullian, On Idolatry Chapter 19: Concerning Military Service

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_pacifism
********************************************
Conservatives advocate a "literal interpretation" of the Bible and often claim that early Christianity was the closest approximation of the true faith!

Conservatives, however, are also strong supporters of nationalism, patriotism and military service, all beliefs that run counter to Christian teachings and the pronouncements of its early leaders (ie. Hippolytus,Tertullian)!

This was based on the premise that Man cannot serve 2 Masters, whereby the goals and methods associated with a "secular" state are not compatible with those of Christianity!

What is being said exactly?