Calvinists' Dilemma

Epoisses

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Show me in the bible, where God is spoken of as being less than ultimate in power and authority . . .

I never said he wasn't but what you fail to admit is that sin itself is a violation of sovereignty and a violation of God's Divine will. It's what we layman call rebellion. God never willed for sin to happen yet it happened anyway implying that his creation does have some type of free will seeing we were made in the image of God. God foreknew that sin would happen but he never willed for it to happen.
 

Nang

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I never said he wasn't but what you fail to admit is that sin itself is a violation of sovereignty and a violation of God's Divine will.

Sin only corrupts the sinner . . God's sovereign will and rule is inviolate.
 

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God- the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all authority; the supreme being.

Sovereignty- supreme power or authority
 

Nang

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So how did Satan rebel in heaven and Adam in the garden? Did God will for sin, suffering and death to come into being?

You speak as if God is the author of sin, which is blasphemous.

And you dare to speak as if God did not overrule the sin of His creatures, with all His power and authority, via the sacrifice of His Son who was victorious over sin!

You post shamefully . . .
 

Epoisses

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You speak as if God is the author of sin, which is blasphemous.

And you dare to speak as if God did not overrule the sin of His creatures, with all His power and authority, via the sacrifice of His Son who was victorious over sin!

You post shamefully . . .

Your false prophet Calvin believed that Almighty God willed sin into being which is the highest imaginable sin that sprung from his serpent controlled lips. And you repeat it like a vagabond bastard!
 

Nang

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Your false prophet Calvin believed that Almighty God willed sin into being which is the highest imaginable sin that sprung from his serpent controlled lips. And you repeat it like a vagabond bastard!

You are repeating ungodly lies like a vagabond bastard!

You bear false witness that only reveals your doctrinal ignorance.
 

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Your false prophet Calvin believed that Almighty God willed sin into being which is the highest imaginable sin that sprung from his serpent controlled lips. And you repeat it like a vagabond bastard!

~Man falls according as God's providence ordains, but he falls by his own fault~

You don't understand those words, because your warped theology has messed up your brain :chuckle:
 

Epoisses

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~Man falls according as God's providence ordains, but he falls by his own fault~

You don't understand those words, because your warped theology has messed up your brain :chuckle:

Man falls because God ordained it according to the false profit. The great contribution to Christian thought by our Calvinist brethren is that God is the author of sin the inescapable conclusion from the absolutely sovereign reign of stupidity in the heart of man.
 

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Man falls because God ordained it according to the false profit. The great contribution to Christian thought by our Calvinist brethren is that God is the author of sin the inescapable conclusion from the absolutely sovereign reign of stupidity in the heart of man.

John never claimed to be a prophet, he was just a very good theologian. He simply recognized that God is God and, with that, comes supreme sovereignty. You believe God is some wizard in the sky playing with magic.
 

Epoisses

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John never claimed to be a prophet, he was just a very good theologian. He simply recognized that God is God and, with that, comes supreme sovereignty. You believe God is some wizard in the sky playing with magic.

He was a good sorcerer and has cast his spell on many a dimwit like you.
 

Samie

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That people are born spiritually dead in sin has led to similarly erroneous teachings. For the Arminians, it led them to ask the dead to believe. For the Calvinists, it led them to do away with free will. For some others, it led them to consider only Christians can make it to heaven. And what more, God is portrayed as a Father who just folded His hands and did nothing but simply watched His children drown, why? Because He did nothing to forestall the change of Adam's nature but instead simply watched as it morphed from good to bad causing all his descendants to be born spiritually dead in sin. That unless people first believe they cannot be In Christ, presents salvation as one of works.

That people are born In Christ and therefore spiritually alive is beyond question. Other than biblically founded, it portrays God in a better light in that He did His best to forestall the change of Adam's nature from good to bad even if would cost Him His only begotten Son. All people, born before or after the cross, are placed in equal footing before God in that all were empowered and hence all are accountable. That it was God Who caused people to be born In Christ presents salvation as all by grace. Yet man's free will is not compromised, because overcomers will not be blotted out from the book of life.
 

Epoisses

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The doctrine of being born spiritually dead in sin leads to the doctrine of being re-born in Christ Jesus. It's a good thing to see ourselves as sinners because it leads us to Christ.
 
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