Calvinism: A Departure From the Gospel and Justification by Faith

Robert Pate

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Sovereign Election:
A person is not saved because he believes in Christ, he believes in Christ because he is saved.

(God's providence brought him forward)


VS

Prevenient Grace:
A person does not believe in Christ because he is saved, he is saved because he believes in Christ.

(He brought himself into God's providence)



That's how simple and clear cut the difference is between Calvinist and Arminian theology.
Anti-Calvinists on here are so far away from proper theology it's almost humorous. It seems more like they want something to attack and for some reason found it necessary that Calvinism be that thing.


"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17.

The only way that you can be saved is by hearing and believing the Gospel. You apparently don't have faith because you have never heard and believed.

You are not alone. Paul wrote, "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it" Hebrews 4:2.

You hear the Gospel but it has no effect on you because you are void of the Holy Spirit.
 

beloved57

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"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17.

The only way that you can be saved is by hearing and believing the Gospel. You apparently don't have faith because you have never heard and believed.

You are not alone. Paul wrote, "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it" Hebrews 4:2.

You hear the Gospel but it has no effect on you because you are void of the Holy Spirit.
Those who are lost can't believe the Gospel because it is hidden from them.

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Bright Raven

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Those who are lost can't believe the Gospel because it is hidden from them.

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From Angelfire;

Why is Calvinism a Cult?

Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cultlike behavior is always marked by an idolatrous desire to the cult itself. This is especially true in Calvinism. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. There are many people who attend Calvinistic churches do so for reasons other than Calvinism and such members essentially place little emphasis on Calvinism itself. It is those people who have committed themselves to Calvinism that are caught up in this cult. These are those people who immerse themselves in five point Calvinism and perceive it to be "the" gospel.

Firstly, like all other cults, Calvinists like to claim that all other theological systems are "false gospels." This is especially true when it comes to their concept of the doctrines of salvation.

Secondly, Calvinists have a belief very similar to the early Gnostics, the first cult-like group to preach heresy in the Christian church. Gnostics believed "the Elect" where those elite who comprehended the secret knowledge of God. Like the Gnostics, Calvinists also believe that the Elect are the only people who will accept and can comprehend Calvinism because only they are capable of understanding and accepting this knowledge. They interpret 1 Corinthians 2:14 in this way thinking that anyone who does not ultimately accept Calvinism must be a non-elect and non-regenerate person and such people cannot see these mystery knowledge of Calvinism.

Thirdly, Calvinism is a cult because those who adhere to its doctrines idolize Calvinism. Now of course the Calvinist will not admit he is an idolator. How many idolators do you know who admit they are idolators? So why are Calvinists idolators?

If you observe a Calvinist carefully and watch him at work, you will see that he has little regard for the true and intended meaning of the Bible message. The only message he will allow himself to see is the message of Calvinism. All Biblical passages are first run through the Calvinist mill. Any passage which seems to run contrary to his doctrines are interpretively reworked to fit his system. Like all cults, the Calvinist will not change his beliefs under any circumstances, including the message of Scripture. Rather than conforming his beliefs to the Bible, the Calvinist tries to conform the Bible to his beliefs. Instead of trying to understand what the Bible really says, he first asks himself how any given passage might impact Calvinism. Then, instead of honestly trying to understand the intended message of any given passage, he develops an interpretation that will suit Calvinism. Thus all interpretations are custom fit to suit Calvinism rather than investigated to comprehend the intended meaning.

Because a Calvinist does this he is an idolator. An idolator is one who serves his idol. The Calvinist serves the idol of Calvinism. He serves his belief system first and foremost and the Bible must be interpreted to conform to his belief system. All interpretations of the Bible are subject to the whims of his idol, his God, that is, Calvinism. He must first consult Calvinism before he does any interpreting since any interpretation of a passage which does not meet the approval of his god, Calvinism, will never do.

For example, in the gospel of John, Calvinists interpret the word "world" in John 1:29 and John 3:16 to mean "definitely the Elect" and only the Elect. But at John 17:9, they interpret the word "world" to mean "definitely not the Elect." Therefore, they give the exact same word, "world (Grk kosmos), totally opposite meanings from one passage to the next. They must do this because their idol, Calvinism, would not be pleased if they defined the word "world" at John 1:29 and 3:16 the same way as they do at John 17:9. There are myriads of examples in Calvinism just like this one. You will see them in the articles on this site.

Those who are not caught up in such cults have a fluid belief system. If a Bible passage comes up that impacts their present beliefs, most people will change their beliefs to conform to the Bible. Not so with the Calvinist. He approaches such things just like a Jehovah's Witness. Both the Calvinist and the Jehovah's Witness serve their belief system's first and foremost and no Biblical passage is going to change them. If a Bible passage comes up that seems to threaten his belief system, his idol, he lays awake endless nights devising an interpretation that can be made to fit Calvinism. In such cases, he never asks himself, "What does this passage really mean and does it prove that Calvinism or some point of Calvinism is wrong?" He never entertains such notions because he has committed himself to his idol rather than to God. Thus he cannot learn anything from many passages in the Bible because he never lets it speak to him apart from prior approval of his idol, his god - Calvinism.

The purpose of reading the Bible is to find out what it says and arrive at the intended meaning through understanding the context, grammar and following accepted objective interpretive principles. Most people read the Bible to discover the treasures therein. Not the Calvinist. He uses the Bible for nothing more than to please his idol. Although the Calvinist may claim he interprets any verse in its own context and follows accepted practices of interpretation, in reality his context is not the passage in question but the system of Calvinism itself and the only accepted practice of interpretation is to develop an interpretation of any given passage which does not anger his god - Calvinism.

Like other cults, Calvinist do not try to coherently piece the ideas in the Bible together to arrive at the big picture such that all pieces fit in their proper place. Rather, they hunt down passages which seem to suit them best and either ignore or rework all other passages which do not uplife Calvinism. Thus they gather together a bunch of passages and build something for themselves - a belief system of their liking. In short, they create their own belief system rather than seeking out the belief system which the whole Bible intends to convey. In the end, they create their own god, an idol called Calvinism, their own creation.

Many people would say this language is too strong to describe Calvinism. At one time I would have said so myself. But having studied and observed Calvinists for thousands upon thousands of hours, it is my solemn conclusion that Calvinism is a very dangerous cult and falls into the same categories of cultism as the Watchtower and Mormons. Do not let me or this article convince you. Do not let the fact that they accept the Trinity and the Deity of Christ fool you either. Observe them yourself and see for yourself if what is written here is the truth.
 

Crucible

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From Angelfire;

Why is Calvinism a Cult?

Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cultlike behavior is always marked by an idolatrous desire to the cult itself. This is especially true in Calvinism. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. There are many people who attend Calvinistic churches do so for reasons other than Calvinism and such members essentially place little emphasis on Calvinism itself. It is those people who have committed themselves to Calvinism that are caught up in this cult. These are those people who immerse themselves in five point Calvinism and perceive it to be "the" gospel.

Firstly, like all other cults, Calvinists like to claim that all other theological systems are "false gospels." This is especially true when it comes to their concept of the doctrines of salvation.

Secondly, Calvinists have a belief very similar to the early Gnostics, the first cult-like group to preach heresy in the Christian church. Gnostics believed "the Elect" where those elite who comprehended the secret knowledge of God. Like the Gnostics, Calvinists also believe that the Elect are the only people who will accept and can comprehend Calvinism because only they are capable of understanding and accepting this knowledge. They interpret 1 Corinthians 2:14 in this way thinking that anyone who does not ultimately accept Calvinism must be a non-elect and non-regenerate person and such people cannot see these mystery knowledge of Calvinism.

Thirdly, Calvinism is a cult because those who adhere to its doctrines idolize Calvinism. Now of course the Calvinist will not admit he is an idolator. How many idolators do you know who admit they are idolators? So why are Calvinists idolators?

If you observe a Calvinist carefully and watch him at work, you will see that he has little regard for the true and intended meaning of the Bible message. The only message he will allow himself to see is the message of Calvinism. All Biblical passages are first run through the Calvinist mill. Any passage which seems to run contrary to his doctrines are interpretively reworked to fit his system. Like all cults, the Calvinist will not change his beliefs under any circumstances, including the message of Scripture. Rather than conforming his beliefs to the Bible, the Calvinist tries to conform the Bible to his beliefs. Instead of trying to understand what the Bible really says, he first asks himself how any given passage might impact Calvinism. Then, instead of honestly trying to understand the intended message of any given passage, he develops an interpretation that will suit Calvinism. Thus all interpretations are custom fit to suit Calvinism rather than investigated to comprehend the intended meaning.

Because a Calvinist does this he is an idolator. An idolator is one who serves his idol. The Calvinist serves the idol of Calvinism. He serves his belief system first and foremost and the Bible must be interpreted to conform to his belief system. All interpretations of the Bible are subject to the whims of his idol, his God, that is, Calvinism. He must first consult Calvinism before he does any interpreting since any interpretation of a passage which does not meet the approval of his god, Calvinism, will never do.

For example, in the gospel of John, Calvinists interpret the word "world" in John 1:29 and John 3:16 to mean "definitely the Elect" and only the Elect. But at John 17:9, they interpret the word "world" to mean "definitely not the Elect." Therefore, they give the exact same word, "world (Grk kosmos), totally opposite meanings from one passage to the next. They must do this because their idol, Calvinism, would not be pleased if they defined the word "world" at John 1:29 and 3:16 the same way as they do at John 17:9. There are myriads of examples in Calvinism just like this one. You will see them in the articles on this site.

Those who are not caught up in such cults have a fluid belief system. If a Bible passage comes up that impacts their present beliefs, most people will change their beliefs to conform to the Bible. Not so with the Calvinist. He approaches such things just like a Jehovah's Witness. Both the Calvinist and the Jehovah's Witness serve their belief system's first and foremost and no Biblical passage is going to change them. If a Bible passage comes up that seems to threaten his belief system, his idol, he lays awake endless nights devising an interpretation that can be made to fit Calvinism. In such cases, he never asks himself, "What does this passage really mean and does it prove that Calvinism or some point of Calvinism is wrong?" He never entertains such notions because he has committed himself to his idol rather than to God. Thus he cannot learn anything from many passages in the Bible because he never lets it speak to him apart from prior approval of his idol, his god - Calvinism.

The purpose of reading the Bible is to find out what it says and arrive at the intended meaning through understanding the context, grammar and following accepted objective interpretive principles. Most people read the Bible to discover the treasures therein. Not the Calvinist. He uses the Bible for nothing more than to please his idol. Although the Calvinist may claim he interprets any verse in its own context and follows accepted practices of interpretation, in reality his context is not the passage in question but the system of Calvinism itself and the only accepted practice of interpretation is to develop an interpretation of any given passage which does not anger his god - Calvinism.

Like other cults, Calvinist do not try to coherently piece the ideas in the Bible together to arrive at the big picture such that all pieces fit in their proper place. Rather, they hunt down passages which seem to suit them best and either ignore or rework all other passages which do not uplife Calvinism. Thus they gather together a bunch of passages and build something for themselves - a belief system of their liking. In short, they create their own belief system rather than seeking out the belief system which the whole Bible intends to convey. In the end, they create their own god, an idol called Calvinism, their own creation.

Many people would say this language is too strong to describe Calvinism. At one time I would have said so myself. But having studied and observed Calvinists for thousands upon thousands of hours, it is my solemn conclusion that Calvinism is a very dangerous cult and falls into the same categories of cultism as the Watchtower and Mormons. Do not let me or this article convince you. Do not let the fact that they accept the Trinity and the Deity of Christ fool you either. Observe them yourself and see for yourself if what is written here is the truth.

That's the biggest load of bull I've heard in a while. One couldn't actually say that out loud with a straight face, so they wrote it with awkward fingers.

Thanks for sharing.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Those who teach that Christ died for people who wind up lost in hell belong to a cult. That teaching denies the Saving death of Christ.

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You're a bonafide "Hyper-Calvinist. That's pretty much a cult in and of itself. Even the "normal" thinking Calvinists avoid you like the plague.
 

Crucible

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You know them by the beard. Which one's John Calvin :chuckle:

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All one has to do is go look at Geneva or Westminister Abbey, and you'll realize how asinine it is to call Calvinism a 'cult'. There are those who don't quite grasp the significance of the Reformation, and how it shaped the West.
 

nikolai_42

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From Angelfire;

Why is Calvinism a Cult?

Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cultlike behavior is always marked by an idolatrous desire to the cult itself. This is especially true in Calvinism. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. There are many people who attend Calvinistic churches do so for reasons other than Calvinism and such members essentially place little emphasis on Calvinism itself. It is those people who have committed themselves to Calvinism that are caught up in this cult. These are those people who immerse themselves in five point Calvinism and perceive it to be "the" gospel.

Firstly, like all other cults, Calvinists like to claim that all other theological systems are "false gospels." This is especially true when it comes to their concept of the doctrines of salvation.

Secondly, Calvinists have a belief very similar to the early Gnostics, the first cult-like group to preach heresy in the Christian church. Gnostics believed "the Elect" where those elite who comprehended the secret knowledge of God. Like the Gnostics, Calvinists also believe that the Elect are the only people who will accept and can comprehend Calvinism because only they are capable of understanding and accepting this knowledge. They interpret 1 Corinthians 2:14 in this way thinking that anyone who does not ultimately accept Calvinism must be a non-elect and non-regenerate person and such people cannot see these mystery knowledge of Calvinism.

Thirdly, Calvinism is a cult because those who adhere to its doctrines idolize Calvinism. Now of course the Calvinist will not admit he is an idolator. How many idolators do you know who admit they are idolators? So why are Calvinists idolators?

If you observe a Calvinist carefully and watch him at work, you will see that he has little regard for the true and intended meaning of the Bible message. The only message he will allow himself to see is the message of Calvinism. All Biblical passages are first run through the Calvinist mill. Any passage which seems to run contrary to his doctrines are interpretively reworked to fit his system. Like all cults, the Calvinist will not change his beliefs under any circumstances, including the message of Scripture. Rather than conforming his beliefs to the Bible, the Calvinist tries to conform the Bible to his beliefs. Instead of trying to understand what the Bible really says, he first asks himself how any given passage might impact Calvinism. Then, instead of honestly trying to understand the intended message of any given passage, he develops an interpretation that will suit Calvinism. Thus all interpretations are custom fit to suit Calvinism rather than investigated to comprehend the intended meaning.

Because a Calvinist does this he is an idolator. An idolator is one who serves his idol. The Calvinist serves the idol of Calvinism. He serves his belief system first and foremost and the Bible must be interpreted to conform to his belief system. All interpretations of the Bible are subject to the whims of his idol, his God, that is, Calvinism. He must first consult Calvinism before he does any interpreting since any interpretation of a passage which does not meet the approval of his god, Calvinism, will never do.

For example, in the gospel of John, Calvinists interpret the word "world" in John 1:29 and John 3:16 to mean "definitely the Elect" and only the Elect. But at John 17:9, they interpret the word "world" to mean "definitely not the Elect." Therefore, they give the exact same word, "world (Grk kosmos), totally opposite meanings from one passage to the next. They must do this because their idol, Calvinism, would not be pleased if they defined the word "world" at John 1:29 and 3:16 the same way as they do at John 17:9. There are myriads of examples in Calvinism just like this one. You will see them in the articles on this site.

Those who are not caught up in such cults have a fluid belief system. If a Bible passage comes up that impacts their present beliefs, most people will change their beliefs to conform to the Bible. Not so with the Calvinist. He approaches such things just like a Jehovah's Witness. Both the Calvinist and the Jehovah's Witness serve their belief system's first and foremost and no Biblical passage is going to change them. If a Bible passage comes up that seems to threaten his belief system, his idol, he lays awake endless nights devising an interpretation that can be made to fit Calvinism. In such cases, he never asks himself, "What does this passage really mean and does it prove that Calvinism or some point of Calvinism is wrong?" He never entertains such notions because he has committed himself to his idol rather than to God. Thus he cannot learn anything from many passages in the Bible because he never lets it speak to him apart from prior approval of his idol, his god - Calvinism.

The purpose of reading the Bible is to find out what it says and arrive at the intended meaning through understanding the context, grammar and following accepted objective interpretive principles. Most people read the Bible to discover the treasures therein. Not the Calvinist. He uses the Bible for nothing more than to please his idol. Although the Calvinist may claim he interprets any verse in its own context and follows accepted practices of interpretation, in reality his context is not the passage in question but the system of Calvinism itself and the only accepted practice of interpretation is to develop an interpretation of any given passage which does not anger his god - Calvinism.

Like other cults, Calvinist do not try to coherently piece the ideas in the Bible together to arrive at the big picture such that all pieces fit in their proper place. Rather, they hunt down passages which seem to suit them best and either ignore or rework all other passages which do not uplife Calvinism. Thus they gather together a bunch of passages and build something for themselves - a belief system of their liking. In short, they create their own belief system rather than seeking out the belief system which the whole Bible intends to convey. In the end, they create their own god, an idol called Calvinism, their own creation.

Many people would say this language is too strong to describe Calvinism. At one time I would have said so myself. But having studied and observed Calvinists for thousands upon thousands of hours, it is my solemn conclusion that Calvinism is a very dangerous cult and falls into the same categories of cultism as the Watchtower and Mormons. Do not let me or this article convince you. Do not let the fact that they accept the Trinity and the Deity of Christ fool you either. Observe them yourself and see for yourself if what is written here is the truth.

The problem with generalizations is it allows the one putting them out to hide behind broad statements without having to reckon with what they are - judgments. This writer has decided that all people who hold to Calvinism are dead wrong and so will paint them all with a broad brush. The only Calvinists who are good are those who "essentially place little emphasis on Calvinism itself". What the author fails to do is to grant that the Calvinist is a Calvinist because he is so convinced by scripture. Because he (or she) can't conceive of being Calvinist, then every Calvinist (most of whom he or she hasn't met) must be deciding that Calvinism is right and reading scripture to support that rather than that they (Spurgeon, for example) call Calvinism "the gospel" because they see it all throughout scripture. The author has rather openly slandered many - some of whom he or she would call brothers or sisters - who he or she has never met nor considered. In a twist of irony, he has (it seems) set up his own beliefs in a similar way to what he (or she) imputes to Calvinism. Typically, this sort of approach (wherever it is found) seems to come from those who have personal issues with someone who falls into a certain group. Then those feelings spill over so that all those identified with the same group get lumped into the same category.

I just wonder if he (or she) is being consistent and refusing to sing Amazing Grace on grounds that it was written by an unrepentant idolator.

If there were more substance and specifics to the article, it might have something of substance to offer (or at least discuss) but as it is, what's the difference between it and what the KJV calls railing (e.g. 2 Peter 2:11)?
 

Robert Pate

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Banned
From Angelfire;

Why is Calvinism a Cult?

Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cultlike behavior is always marked by an idolatrous desire to the cult itself. This is especially true in Calvinism. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. There are many people who attend Calvinistic churches do so for reasons other than Calvinism and such members essentially place little emphasis on Calvinism itself. It is those people who have committed themselves to Calvinism that are caught up in this cult. These are those people who immerse themselves in five point Calvinism and perceive it to be "the" gospel.

Firstly, like all other cults, Calvinists like to claim that all other theological systems are "false gospels." This is especially true when it comes to their concept of the doctrines of salvation.

Secondly, Calvinists have a belief very similar to the early Gnostics, the first cult-like group to preach heresy in the Christian church. Gnostics believed "the Elect" where those elite who comprehended the secret knowledge of God. Like the Gnostics, Calvinists also believe that the Elect are the only people who will accept and can comprehend Calvinism because only they are capable of understanding and accepting this knowledge. They interpret 1 Corinthians 2:14 in this way thinking that anyone who does not ultimately accept Calvinism must be a non-elect and non-regenerate person and such people cannot see these mystery knowledge of Calvinism.

Thirdly, Calvinism is a cult because those who adhere to its doctrines idolize Calvinism. Now of course the Calvinist will not admit he is an idolator. How many idolators do you know who admit they are idolators? So why are Calvinists idolators?

If you observe a Calvinist carefully and watch him at work, you will see that he has little regard for the true and intended meaning of the Bible message. The only message he will allow himself to see is the message of Calvinism. All Biblical passages are first run through the Calvinist mill. Any passage which seems to run contrary to his doctrines are interpretively reworked to fit his system. Like all cults, the Calvinist will not change his beliefs under any circumstances, including the message of Scripture. Rather than conforming his beliefs to the Bible, the Calvinist tries to conform the Bible to his beliefs. Instead of trying to understand what the Bible really says, he first asks himself how any given passage might impact Calvinism. Then, instead of honestly trying to understand the intended message of any given passage, he develops an interpretation that will suit Calvinism. Thus all interpretations are custom fit to suit Calvinism rather than investigated to comprehend the intended meaning.

Because a Calvinist does this he is an idolator. An idolator is one who serves his idol. The Calvinist serves the idol of Calvinism. He serves his belief system first and foremost and the Bible must be interpreted to conform to his belief system. All interpretations of the Bible are subject to the whims of his idol, his God, that is, Calvinism. He must first consult Calvinism before he does any interpreting since any interpretation of a passage which does not meet the approval of his god, Calvinism, will never do.

For example, in the gospel of John, Calvinists interpret the word "world" in John 1:29 and John 3:16 to mean "definitely the Elect" and only the Elect. But at John 17:9, they interpret the word "world" to mean "definitely not the Elect." Therefore, they give the exact same word, "world (Grk kosmos), totally opposite meanings from one passage to the next. They must do this because their idol, Calvinism, would not be pleased if they defined the word "world" at John 1:29 and 3:16 the same way as they do at John 17:9. There are myriads of examples in Calvinism just like this one. You will see them in the articles on this site.

Those who are not caught up in such cults have a fluid belief system. If a Bible passage comes up that impacts their present beliefs, most people will change their beliefs to conform to the Bible. Not so with the Calvinist. He approaches such things just like a Jehovah's Witness. Both the Calvinist and the Jehovah's Witness serve their belief system's first and foremost and no Biblical passage is going to change them. If a Bible passage comes up that seems to threaten his belief system, his idol, he lays awake endless nights devising an interpretation that can be made to fit Calvinism. In such cases, he never asks himself, "What does this passage really mean and does it prove that Calvinism or some point of Calvinism is wrong?" He never entertains such notions because he has committed himself to his idol rather than to God. Thus he cannot learn anything from many passages in the Bible because he never lets it speak to him apart from prior approval of his idol, his god - Calvinism.

The purpose of reading the Bible is to find out what it says and arrive at the intended meaning through understanding the context, grammar and following accepted objective interpretive principles. Most people read the Bible to discover the treasures therein. Not the Calvinist. He uses the Bible for nothing more than to please his idol. Although the Calvinist may claim he interprets any verse in its own context and follows accepted practices of interpretation, in reality his context is not the passage in question but the system of Calvinism itself and the only accepted practice of interpretation is to develop an interpretation of any given passage which does not anger his god - Calvinism.

Like other cults, Calvinist do not try to coherently piece the ideas in the Bible together to arrive at the big picture such that all pieces fit in their proper place. Rather, they hunt down passages which seem to suit them best and either ignore or rework all other passages which do not uplife Calvinism. Thus they gather together a bunch of passages and build something for themselves - a belief system of their liking. In short, they create their own belief system rather than seeking out the belief system which the whole Bible intends to convey. In the end, they create their own god, an idol called Calvinism, their own creation.

Many people would say this language is too strong to describe Calvinism. At one time I would have said so myself. But having studied and observed Calvinists for thousands upon thousands of hours, it is my solemn conclusion that Calvinism is a very dangerous cult and falls into the same categories of cultism as the Watchtower and Mormons. Do not let me or this article convince you. Do not let the fact that they accept the Trinity and the Deity of Christ fool you either. Observe them yourself and see for yourself if what is written here is the truth.


Excellent article.
 

Robert Pate

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Banned
The constant of all cults is not just an obviously false god. It also includes a portrayal of the God of the Bible that, in some vital aspect of His revealed character, is demonstably and refutably false.

Given that, Calvinism fits.


It is not humanly possible to believe and have faith in a God that damns billions to hell for no reason other than they were born after Adam.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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From Angelfire;

Why is Calvinism a Cult?

Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cultlike behavior is always marked by an idolatrous desire to the cult itself. This is especially true in Calvinism. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. There are many people who attend Calvinistic churches do so for reasons other than Calvinism and such members essentially place little emphasis on Calvinism itself. It is those people who have committed themselves to Calvinism that are caught up in this cult. These are those people who immerse themselves in five point Calvinism and perceive it to be "the" gospel.

Firstly, like all other cults, Calvinists like to claim that all other theological systems are "false gospels." This is especially true when it comes to their concept of the doctrines of salvation.

Secondly, Calvinists have a belief very similar to the early Gnostics, the first cult-like group to preach heresy in the Christian church. Gnostics believed "the Elect" where those elite who comprehended the secret knowledge of God. Like the Gnostics, Calvinists also believe that the Elect are the only people who will accept and can comprehend Calvinism because only they are capable of understanding and accepting this knowledge. They interpret 1 Corinthians 2:14 in this way thinking that anyone who does not ultimately accept Calvinism must be a non-elect and non-regenerate person and such people cannot see these mystery knowledge of Calvinism.

Thirdly, Calvinism is a cult because those who adhere to its doctrines idolize Calvinism. Now of course the Calvinist will not admit he is an idolator. How many idolators do you know who admit they are idolators? So why are Calvinists idolators?

If you observe a Calvinist carefully and watch him at work, you will see that he has little regard for the true and intended meaning of the Bible message. The only message he will allow himself to see is the message of Calvinism. All Biblical passages are first run through the Calvinist mill. Any passage which seems to run contrary to his doctrines are interpretively reworked to fit his system. Like all cults, the Calvinist will not change his beliefs under any circumstances, including the message of Scripture. Rather than conforming his beliefs to the Bible, the Calvinist tries to conform the Bible to his beliefs. Instead of trying to understand what the Bible really says, he first asks himself how any given passage might impact Calvinism. Then, instead of honestly trying to understand the intended message of any given passage, he develops an interpretation that will suit Calvinism. Thus all interpretations are custom fit to suit Calvinism rather than investigated to comprehend the intended meaning.

Because a Calvinist does this he is an idolator. An idolator is one who serves his idol. The Calvinist serves the idol of Calvinism. He serves his belief system first and foremost and the Bible must be interpreted to conform to his belief system. All interpretations of the Bible are subject to the whims of his idol, his God, that is, Calvinism. He must first consult Calvinism before he does any interpreting since any interpretation of a passage which does not meet the approval of his god, Calvinism, will never do.

For example, in the gospel of John, Calvinists interpret the word "world" in John 1:29 and John 3:16 to mean "definitely the Elect" and only the Elect. But at John 17:9, they interpret the word "world" to mean "definitely not the Elect." Therefore, they give the exact same word, "world (Grk kosmos), totally opposite meanings from one passage to the next. They must do this because their idol, Calvinism, would not be pleased if they defined the word "world" at John 1:29 and 3:16 the same way as they do at John 17:9. There are myriads of examples in Calvinism just like this one. You will see them in the articles on this site.

Those who are not caught up in such cults have a fluid belief system. If a Bible passage comes up that impacts their present beliefs, most people will change their beliefs to conform to the Bible. Not so with the Calvinist. He approaches such things just like a Jehovah's Witness. Both the Calvinist and the Jehovah's Witness serve their belief system's first and foremost and no Biblical passage is going to change them. If a Bible passage comes up that seems to threaten his belief system, his idol, he lays awake endless nights devising an interpretation that can be made to fit Calvinism. In such cases, he never asks himself, "What does this passage really mean and does it prove that Calvinism or some point of Calvinism is wrong?" He never entertains such notions because he has committed himself to his idol rather than to God. Thus he cannot learn anything from many passages in the Bible because he never lets it speak to him apart from prior approval of his idol, his god - Calvinism.

The purpose of reading the Bible is to find out what it says and arrive at the intended meaning through understanding the context, grammar and following accepted objective interpretive principles. Most people read the Bible to discover the treasures therein. Not the Calvinist. He uses the Bible for nothing more than to please his idol. Although the Calvinist may claim he interprets any verse in its own context and follows accepted practices of interpretation, in reality his context is not the passage in question but the system of Calvinism itself and the only accepted practice of interpretation is to develop an interpretation of any given passage which does not anger his god - Calvinism.

Like other cults, Calvinist do not try to coherently piece the ideas in the Bible together to arrive at the big picture such that all pieces fit in their proper place. Rather, they hunt down passages which seem to suit them best and either ignore or rework all other passages which do not uplife Calvinism. Thus they gather together a bunch of passages and build something for themselves - a belief system of their liking. In short, they create their own belief system rather than seeking out the belief system which the whole Bible intends to convey. In the end, they create their own god, an idol called Calvinism, their own creation.

Many people would say this language is too strong to describe Calvinism. At one time I would have said so myself. But having studied and observed Calvinists for thousands upon thousands of hours, it is my solemn conclusion that Calvinism is a very dangerous cult and falls into the same categories of cultism as the Watchtower and Mormons. Do not let me or this article convince you. Do not let the fact that they accept the Trinity and the Deity of Christ fool you either. Observe them yourself and see for yourself if what is written here is the truth.

This is a GREAT post. 100% truthful.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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You know them by the beard. Which one's John Calvin :chuckle:

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All one has to do is go look at Geneva or Westminister Abbey, and you'll realize how asinine it is to call Calvinism a 'cult'. There are those who don't quite grasp the significance of the Reformation, and how it shaped the West.

Calvinism IS a Cult. Cultists NEVER see themselves as following a cult.
 

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Calvinism IS a Cult. Cultists NEVER see themselves as following a cult.

You all are a cult. I see how those MADist churches are- those oddball people always bringing up venial dispensations and raptures. It was Darbyists who followed that guy who swore the world was going to end in March 2011.

It's hilarious for you to even sit there with your tripe. Reformed churches are traditional and orthodox, you'd never see that kind of absurdity come out of any of them.
 
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