Calvinism: A declaration that God is Unjust and Jesus is a Failure

[Robert Pate]

Calvinism is a man conceived religion that came out of the twisted mind of the tyrant John Calvin in the mid 1500"s.

Calvinism is self defeating. It requires that you believe things about God and his Son Jesus Christ that will damn you to hell. All through the Old Testament and into the New Testament, God's people are saved and justified by faith, Ephesians 2:8. The word "Faith" means to rely upon or to trust in. It is not humanly possible to have faith in a God that predestinates people to hell before they are born for no reason. Worse yet, It is not possible to have faith in a Christ that only atones for some sins, but not all sins. Calvinism makes Jesus Christ a failure and God an unjust, unmerciful sinner.

Man is a sinner without works. We don't have to sin to prove that we are sinners. We are born into sin, Romans 5:12. It is not our fault that we are sinners, its Adam's fault. But its our fault if we don't accept Christ as our savior. Calvinism does away with God's judgment. If God has already predestinated people to heaven and to hell then what good is a judgment? Calvinism is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ. Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 12:47. Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. But nothing is ours until it is received by faith, John 1:12.

 

[Bradley D]

The problem is that "predestine" and "elect" are in scripture. There needs to be a good interpretation of those two concepts which oppose Calvinism. Which I have not seen yet.

 

[Right Divider]

The problem is that "predestine" and "elect" are in scripture. There needs to be a good interpretation of those two concepts which oppose Calvinism. Which I have not seen yet.

I've explained the term "elect" in many threads on TOL. Have you not read any of them?

Isa 42:1 (AKJV/PCE)
(42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, [in whom] my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

That verse refers to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Like so many other terms, Calvinists have FALSE definitions for them.

 

[Robert Pate]

The problem is that "predestine" and "elect" are in scripture. There needs to be a good interpretation of those two concepts which oppose Calvinism. Which I have not seen yet.

The elect are those that have elected to believe in Jesus. God has elected the whole human race in Jesus Christ. The Bible knows nothing about an individual election, because God is no respecter of anyone's person, Acts 10:34.

The word "predestinate" only appears in the Bible three or four times. Nowhere in the scripture does it say that anyone has been predestinated to heaven or to hell. It is a Calvinist lie.

 

[Right Divider]

The elect are those that have elected to believe in Jesus. God has elected the whole human race in Jesus Christ. The Bible knows nothing about an individual election, because God is no respecter of anyone's person, Acts 10:34.

Why do you ignore Isaiah 42:1?

The word "predestinate" only appears in the Bible three or four times. Nowhere in the scripture does it say that anyone has been predestinated to heaven or to hell. It is a Calvinist lie.

Yes, as I mentioned, they have a FALSE definition for many words.

 

[Robert Pate]

Why do you ignore Isaiah 42:1?

Yes, as I mentioned, they have a FALSE definition for many words.

Isaiah 42:1 Is speaking of Jesus Christ who was God's elected savior of the world.

"Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgments to the Gentiles".

You should have known that.

 

[JudgeRightly]

The elect are those that have elected to believe in Jesus.

False. Elect just means chosen for a task.

God has elected the whole human race in Jesus Christ.

Also false.

The Bible knows nothing about an individual election, because God is no respecter of anyone's person, Acts 10:34.

Calvinism makes God out to be a respecter of persons, the elect, because He elected them and not others.

 

[Right Divider]

Isaiah 42:1 Is speaking of Jesus Christ who was God's elected savior of the world.

"Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgments to the Gentiles".

You should have known that.

You FALSELY ACCUSE me again of not knowing. You are a very hypocritical "Christian" Robert.

My point, as you should have been able to understand, is that ELECTION has different purposes depending ON THE SPECIFIC ELECTION.

There is NOT a "single election".

 

[Right Divider]

The elect are those that have elected to believe in Jesus.

I showed you a CLEAR and UNAMBIGUOUS verse that proves this statement wrong.
But instead of understanding that, you false accuse me of not understanding.
It's clear to anyone reading this thread that it is YOU that has problems understanding. So much for your status as a "teacher".

Here is it again for your learning:

Isa 42:1 (AKJV/PCE)
(42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, [in whom] my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Clearly Jesus was NOT "elected to believe in Jesus".

 

[Bradley D]

The word "predestinate" only appears in the Bible three or four times. Nowhere in the scripture does it say that anyone has been predestinated to heaven or to hell. It is a Calvinist lie.

Yes, but it is there. Therefore, needs to be dealt with.

 

[marke]

Why do you ignore Isaiah 42:1?

Yes, as I mentioned, they have a FALSE definition for many words.

Isaiah 42:1 proves God's use of the word "elect" is not confined to one narrow meaning.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes, but it is there. Therefore, needs to be dealt with.

The Bible has already dealt with it. Once again, there is no scripture in the Bible that says God has predestinated anyone to heaven or to hell. If you believe that there is, show me the scripture.

 

[Robert Pate]

I showed you a CLEAR and UNAMBIGUOUS verse that proves this statement wrong.
But instead of understanding that, you false accuse me of not understanding.
It's clear to anyone reading this thread that it is YOU that has problems understanding. So much for your status as a "teacher".

Here is it again for your learning:

Clearly Jesus was NOT "elected to believe in Jesus".

The only one that has ever been predestinated by God is Jesus Christ. He was predestinated to be the savior of the whole world.

 

[Robert Pate]

False. Elect just means chosen for a task.



Also false.



Calvinism makes God out to be a respecter of persons, the elect, because He elected them and not others.

Jesus was chosen by God to be the savior of the whole world, therefore Jesus is God's elect man, John 12:47. If God elected sinful man to be saved without the atoning work of Christ and faith, then God is the minister of sin.

 

[Right Divider]

The only one that has ever been predestinated by God is Jesus Christ. He was predestinated to be the savior of the whole world.

You said "The elect are those that have elected to believe in Jesus."

That is INCORRECT. You can try to deflect, but I will hold you to your statements.

 

[Robert Pate]

You said "The elect are those that have elected to believe in Jesus."

That is INCORRECT. You can try to deflect, but I will hold you to your statements.

If God elected some to be saved and some to be lost, then you have an unjust God that cannot be trusted.

 

[Right Divider]

If God elected some to be saved and some to be lost, then you have an unjust God that cannot be trusted.

NON-SEQUITUR, I'm NOT a Calvinist.

Robert, you cannot think logical thoughts. You should give up on the idea that you are a "teacher". I'm explaining SIMPLE things to you and YET you cannot follow.

I SIMPLY pointed out that ELECT does NOT have a single solitary meaning in scripture. Unlike the comment that YOU made:
"The elect are those that have elected to believe in Jesus."

That is a FALSE statement. Jesus is called "mine ELECT" by God and Jesus was not elected to believe in Jesus.

 

[Robert Pate]

NON-SEQUITUR, I'm NOT a Calvinist.

Robert, you cannot think logical thoughts. You should give up on the idea that you are a "teacher". I'm explaining SIMPLE things to you and YET you cannot follow.

I SIMPLY pointed out that ELECT does NOT have a single solitary meaning in scripture. Unlike the comment that YOU made:
"The elect are those that have elected to believe in Jesus."

That is a FALSE statement. Jesus is called "mine ELECT" by God and Jesus was not elected to believe in Jesus.

 

[Bradley D]

The Bible has already dealt with it. Once again, there is no scripture in the Bible that says God has predestinated anyone to heaven or to hell. If you believe that there is, show me the scripture.

I did not write that I believed in it. But being in scripture it will always a be a contention.

 

[Robert Pate]

I did not write that I believed in it. But being in scripture it will always a be a contention.

The Bible is a spiritual book. Only those that are indwelt with the Holy Spirit can understand it. This is why there is so much contention.