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patman said:They had their ups and downs... but when they got too down God took actions to bring them back up. When God told Abram about his children, did he say they would be cut off and cut off some more and then they would be the chosen?
God said they would be his people. He expected it. Perhaps someone who could go to the original language could settle this between us, but that person Is not me . Whenever I run into the doubt of a particular word's meaning, I look to other subject related content to bridge the gap for me. Abram is an example of that... so anyway, there's my input... what scriptural reasons do you use to the word expect as you do?
Which original word? Expectation?
Knight and I discussed a bit more on this: http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35394&page=2&pp=15
Starting from His ending verse on #28.
From Strong's Concordance #6960
קוה
qâvâh
kaw-vaw'
A primitive root; to bind together (perhaps by twisting), that is, collect; (figuratively) to expect: - gather (together), look, patiently, tarry, wait (for, on, upon).
The primitive root, just means that it is where the word comes from to give further background. The word carries all of the types of meaning and context and word choice for translation determines which is conveyed. For our discussion, the word meaning doesn't give us enough clarity to discern one way or the other, but rather our respective theologies color our understandings. SV believes that God is never caught by surprise because of foreknowledge. Our respective theology stances color the tenure of this text.
Just because I don't buy into the OV interpretation here does not mean I'm trying to convince you otherwise, it just means that it doesn't work for me as I understand scripture.