Theology Club: Blinding of Israel

[Arial]

Today, sure.

But not prior to Acts 9. Yes, it consisted of individuals, but God had a corporate relationship with her, not the individuals she consisted of.



Wrong.

Israel was to be a spokes-nation to the world, teaching the world about Him.

Mission accomplished. It is all recorded for all to read, and I for one see Him clearly.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Mission accomplished.

Except it wasn't. Israel never became the spokes-nation God wanted her to be. Instead, we have a single Apostle going to all the world while the Twelve sat largely in Jerusalem.

It is all recorded for all to read, and I for one see Him clearly.

You can't record (truthfully) what never happened in the first place.

 

[Tambora]

Yes. It is all one plan unfolding. The purpose of the plan? I know the one He showed us, and quite clearly----to rescue a people out of the kingdom of darkness and bring them into the kingdom of the Son. There are two kingdoms, the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of light. King Jesus the Christ is King of the Kingdom of Light. It is ultimately the whole redeemed world, (at that time, the time of His second coming, there will be only the redeemed in the world. ) And He rules now from heaven and within the hearts and lives of those who are His, until the time of Satan's utter and final destruction. Then there will be one kingdom, the kingdom of Light. Col 1:13-14; Eph 2:1-9. Those whom He has redeemed are the people of His kingdom.

Guiding His creation away from the dark forces into the light.
Proving over and over that He is the true Most High God they should rely upon.

 

[Tambora]

Except it wasn't. Israel never became the spokes-nation God wanted her to be.

God's work through Israel showed the whole world which god was the Most High God.

 

[JudgeRightly]

God's work through Israel showed the whole world which god was the Most High God.

Yes, God can and did use Israel's rebellion.

But they rebelled nonetheless, and did NOT become His spokes-nation to the Gentiles as He wanted them to be.

 

[musterion]

Yes, God can and did use Israel's rebellion.

But they rebelled nonetheless, and did NOT become His spokes-nation to the Gentiles as He wanted them to be.

Temporarily...

 

[musterion]

God's work through Israel showed the whole world which god was the Most High God.

But being blind, the world still doesn't see... Romans 1.

 

[Tambora]

But being blind, the world still doesn't see... Romans 1.

Some saw or heard and chose to believe the God of Israel was the true Most High God (the superior one).
As God demonstrated with His dealing of Egypt.
Some rebelled and just chose to trust in other gods.

 

[glorydaz]

Yes. It is all one plan unfolding. The purpose of the plan? I know the one He showed us, and quite clearly----to rescue a people out of the kingdom of darkness and bring them into the kingdom of the Son. There are two kingdoms, the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of light. King Jesus the Christ is King of the Kingdom of Light. It is ultimately the whole redeemed world, (at that time, the time of His second coming, there will be only the redeemed in the world. ) And He rules now from heaven and within the hearts and lives of those who are His, until the time of Satan's utter and final destruction. Then there will be one kingdom, the kingdom of Light. Col 1:13-14; Eph 2:1-9. Those whom He has redeemed are the people of His kingdom.

Faulty premise. Try again.

 

[musterion]

Some saw or heard and chose to believe the God of Israel was the true Most High God (the superior one).

The ONLY one.

As God demonstrated with His dealing of Egypt.
Some rebelled and just chose to trust in other gods.

That's always been true.

Question for you is, can a member of Christ's Body do that and go to Hell?

 

[glorydaz]

Yes, God can and did use Israel's rebellion.

But they rebelled nonetheless, and did NOT become His spokes-nation to the Gentiles as He wanted them to be.

Instead the lot fell on us.

2 Corinthians 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

 

[Tambora]

Question for you is, can a member of Christ's Body do that and go to Hell?

Why wouldn't they deserve the same punishment as any other that has rebelled against Him by choosing another god to place their faith in?

 

[musterion]

Why wouldn't they deserve the same punishment as any other that has rebelled against Him by choosing another god to place their faith in?

So that's a Yes?

 

[Tambora]

So that's a Yes?

According to Paul, yes.
He says the natural branches are only removed due to them no longer believing, and for the wild branches not to think the same won't happen to them due to them no longer believing.
Start believing - you're in.
Stop believing - you're out.

 

[musterion]

According to Paul, yes.
He says the natural branches are only removed due to them no longer believing, and for the wild branches not to think the same won't happen to them due to them no longer believing.
Start believing - you're in.
Stop believing - you're out.

Chapters 9-11 is all about the question people were naturally going to ask him in light of the mystery revelation, What About Israel? It isn't about us.

 

[musterion]

According to Paul, yes.
He says the natural branches are only removed due to them no longer believing, and for the wild branches not to think the same won't happen to them due to them no longer believing.
Start believing - you're in.
Stop believing - you're out.

You're not grafted in to anything Paul refers to in ch. 9-11. No one today is.

If you're actually saved, you are not merely grafted into Christ -- you are fused with him for eternity, with Him as your life, mind, and identify before the Father, sealed by His Spirit.

There is all the difference in the world between the two.

 

[Tambora]

Chapters 9-11 is all about the question people were naturally going to ask him in light of the mystery revelation, What About Israel? It isn't about us.

Yep, it was about the natural branches (Israel) losing their believing faith and being cut off for it.
And it was about the wild branches (Gentiles) losing their believing faith and being cut off for it.

 

[musterion]

Yep, it was about the natural branches (Israel) losing their believing faith and being cut off for it.
And it was about the wild branches (Gentiles) losing their believing faith and being cut off for it.

Members of the Body cannot be cut off from Him. That passage isn't about the Body.

 

[glorydaz]

Why wouldn't they deserve the same punishment as any other that has rebelled against Him by choosing another god to place their faith in?

So, you don't believe members of the body of Christ have assurance of salvation?

God will take away His gift of eternal life because man just can't live up to His standards?

 

[Arial]

Yes, God can and did use Israel's rebellion.

But they rebelled nonetheless, and did NOT become His spokes-nation to the Gentiles as He wanted them to be.

Where does it say Israel was to be the spokes nation to the Gentiles?