Bernie and the money tree

[Cntrysner]

Indeed, he is a liar and a thief.

True on both counts.

Total government and state assistance payouts, private insurance with co-pays and deductibles and pharmaceuticals,etc,ect could be well above $5 trillion per year.

 

[The Horn]

If Trump and the Republicans get their way , forget being able to afford the cost of living unless you are rich or well off enough . Forget going to college unless you happen to have rich parents. Forget being able to get health care unless you are rich .
Forget getting help from the government for anything . Kiss your social security , medicare, food stamps , etc goodbye . Forget getting any help if you are a poor pregnant woman and want to provide for that child once born or nay children you may already have .
Forget about a safe,legal abortion . You will be forced to go to a dangerous, unsanitary back-aley abortionist and you will risk your life and health . Or if your are too poor to afford and illegal abortion, you will try to self abort with makeshift devices such as coat hangers etc and your chances of survival will be slim . The government isn't going to provide any help for you to support that child .
If you have a pre-existing condition, forget getting health care . Forget health care period unless you are rich .
And if you give the baby up for adoption, it may never be adopted and go from foster home to foster home , risking abuse and neglect .
If you are a child and your parents are unable to provide good nutrition for you , forget getting one good meal at lunch in school . Such programs will be abolished .
It wont be pretty, I guarantee you ,whether you are male, female , straight or gay, young or old , white, black or brown unless you already happen to be rich .

 

[Right Divider]

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Quit spamming the thread with your personal drivel and explain where Bernie's $30-40 TRILLION DOLLARS over 10 years will come from?

Remember that is JUST for his "health care for all" plan and does NOT include the numerous other freebies that he is also promising (out of someone else's pockets, of course).

 

[JudgeRightly]

If Trump and the Republicans get their way,

What makes you think that it would be any better for the Dumbocrats to have their way?

forget being able to afford the cost of living unless you are rich or well off enough.

Make the government smaller, and the cost of living will decrease as private industry takes over.

Forget going to college unless you happen to have rich parents.

This is caused by the government having its fingers in public education.

Remove the government from the schools, and the price of tuition will go down.

Oh, and that goes for both (all?) parties.

Forget being able to get health care unless you are rich.

Get the government out of medicine, and prices will fall.

Forget getting help from the government for anything.

The government shouldn't be helping anyone with anything, except to provide criminal justice and infrastructure.

Kiss your social security, medicare, food stamps , etc goodbye.

Sorry, but unfortunately, having either party elected won't make this stuff go away.

Which is a bad thing, by the way, not a good thing.

Forget getting any help if you are a poor pregnant woman and want to provide for that child once born or nay children you may already have.

The solution to this? It's not food stamps or welfare checks.

The woman should find a husband to provide for her and her child(ren).

Forget about a safe,legal abortion.

There's no such thing.

In every abortion, AT LEAST ONE patient is murdered.

You will be forced to go to a dangerous, unsanitary back-aley abortionist and you will risk your life and health.

Because having an abortion isn't inherently a risk to the life or health of at least one of the patients?

Or if your are too poor to afford and illegal abortion, you will try to self abort with makeshift devices such as coat hangers etc and your chances of survival will be slim.

You make it seem like it's completely natural for a woman to want to kill her child.

Newsflash: It's not.

The government isn't going to provide any help for you to support that child.

Nor should it. That role falls to the husband of the woman.

If you have a pre-existing condition, forget getting health care. Forget health care period unless you are rich.

The government should stay out of private healthcare, and not offer public healthcare.

And if you give the baby up for adoption, it may never be adopted and go from foster home to foster home, risking abuse and neglect.

Because our current system TOTALLY prevents that... :mock:

If you are a child and your parents are unable to provide good nutrition for you , forget getting one good meal at lunch in school . Such programs will be abolished.

When the government takes over the role of caring for a child, the parents start to neglect performing that role, because "hey, the government's doing it for me!"

It's not the government's responsibility to care for children, to make sure they get fed breakfast, lunch, and dinner, to make sure they brush their teeth, or behave themselves in the store.

That role belongs to the parents.

It wont be pretty,

Because our current system is so beautiful...

:vomit:

I guarantee you ,whether you are male, female, straight or gay, young or old, white, black or brown unless you already happen to be rich .

So therefore... what?

 

[ok doser]

If Trump and the Republicans get their way...

we'll continue making America great again

 

[The Horn]

Judge Rightly, you are a typical deluded American conservative who thinks everything would be hunky dory if we just got the government out of everything and let businesses and corporations et al alone and allowed them to function without "government interference ".
WRONG ! Libertarian economic policies sound great in theory but are a disaster if allowed to take hold in a country . Why? Because you run into the road block of corporate greed , something we already have enough of in America .
In order for an economy to work, the government and the private sector must co-operate .
Too much government regulation may be bad, but no government regulation is far worse .
People DIE or are permanently disabled without government regulation .
And people like you DO want the government regulating people, especially women . You delude yourselves into thinking that we can "end " abortion by making it illegal again .
But this would only INCREASE the abortion rate . Fact : Every time a government has made abortion illegal after it had been legal, the abortion rate has skyrocketed , as well as the number of poor women dying .
Conservatives don't want government regulation of business, but they want government regulation of people and what they do in private . Liberals want government regulation of business, but do not want the government in people's bedrooms . The latter is preferable by far .

 

[JudgeRightly]

Judge Rightly, you are a typical deluded

Insulting me doesn't help your argument.

American conservative

This is about the only thing you got right...

who thinks everything would be hunky dory if we just got the government out of everything and let businesses and corporations et al alone and allowed them to function without "government interference

Except that's not my position.

My position is not "No interference ever!"

It's:
"The only time that the government should interfere is when a business or corporation commits a crime."

".

Periods typically go BEFORE the quotation marks, not afterwards. This instance is not one of the exceptions.

And what's up with your space key, is it malfunctioning or something? or are you intentionally hitting it multiple times when it's not needed?

WRONG!

:blabla:

Libertarian economic policies sound great in theory but are a disaster if allowed to take hold in a country.

:think:

American conservative This is about the only thing you got right...

Hmmm. I think you need to be more consistent in your arguments.

Why? Because you run into the road block of corporate greed,

So it's greedy for a company to try to make money so that its employees can afford the cost of living, but it's not greedy for Mr. Bernie to rob from everyone to fund his silly socialist program that can't be implemented because there's not enough money in the country for it?

Tell me, Horn, do you think working hard to earn a living is a bad thing?

something we already have enough of in America.

Could you point out how many companies and which ones have this "corporate greed" you speak of?

In order for an economy to work, the government and the private sector must co-operate.

That's what we have now, and our economy is being stifled.

It's the reason our economy is suffering.

It's time to try something different.

Too much government regulation may be bad, but no government regulation is far worse.

Again, a straw man against my position.

The ONLY regulation a government should have on businesses is if a company commits a crime.

People DIE or are permanently disabled without government regulation.

People die or are permanently disabled EVEN WITH government regulation. In fact, it's often BECAUSE OF the regulation that people are injured or killed.

Why not let businesses regulate themselves? Do you think that they are incapable of such actions?

And people like you DO want the government regulating people, especially women.

Huh?

Oh, you said "people," not "businesses."

First of all, businesses are not people. They are made up of people, but they themselves are not people.

Second, the only "regulation" (and I use that term loosely here) governments should impose on individual persons (not just women) are LAWS such as "do not murder," "do not steal," "do not commit adultery," and "do not bear false witness."

You delude yourselves into thinking that we can "end " abortion by making it illegal again.

If we make it illegal again and reinstate the stigma against it, it would reduce the number of women wanting to get an abortion, which means fewer women will GET abortions, even in those illegal, dark, back-alleyway clinics.

Your "solution" vomit has millions of women killing their children in the womb, legally.

My solution thumb has only a handful of women killing their children, and doing so in spite of the law.

But this would only INCREASE the abortion rate.

Prima facie statements like this don't convince me.

Please show us how making something against the law makes people commit the crime more.

Fact: Every time a government has made abortion illegal after it had been legal, the abortion rate has skyrocketed,

Cite please.

as well as the number of poor women dying.

Of course, you completely ignore the poor children in the wombs of those mothers who have no say in the matter whatsoever being slaughtered because... why, again?

Conservatives don't want government regulation of business, but they want government regulation of people and what they do in private.

So if a terrorist is doing something in his bedroom, like, making bombs, for example, should the government have anything to say about that?

If a corporation or business or company wants to pay its employees a certain wage, should the government have anything to say about that?

Liberals want government regulation of business, but do not want the government in people's bedrooms . The latter is preferable by far .

So, in other words, restricting free enterprise while letting nut jobs roam the street?

How is that preferable again?

 

[7djengo7]

And what's up with your space key, is it malfunctioning or something? or are you intentionally hitting it multiple times when it's not needed?

<in a throaty, whispery voice> Hey, it's cool, man, it's cool...I mean, he's The Horn, man. He's probably just takin' Miles Davis's advice:

In music, silence is more important than sound.

Gotta have plenty of rests in there, you know.

Of course, his proliferation of rests does absolutely nothing to mitigate the jarring effect of his many, many, many clams.

 

[Gary K]

Judge Rightly, you are a typical deluded American conservative who thinks everything would be hunky dory if we just got the government out of everything and let businesses and corporations et al alone and allowed them to function without "government interference ".
WRONG ! Libertarian economic policies sound great in theory but are a disaster if allowed to take hold in a country . Why? Because you run into the road block of corporate greed , something we already have enough of in America .
In order for an economy to work, the government and the private sector must co-operate .
Too much government regulation may be bad, but no government regulation is far worse .
People DIE or are permanently disabled without government regulation .
And people like you DO want the government regulating people, especially women . You delude yourselves into thinking that we can "end " abortion by making it illegal again .
But this would only INCREASE the abortion rate . Fact : Every time a government has made abortion illegal after it had been legal, the abortion rate has skyrocketed , as well as the number of poor women dying .
Conservatives don't want government regulation of business, but they want government regulation of people and what they do in private . Liberals want government regulation of business, but do not want the government in people's bedrooms . The latter is preferable by far .

If you understood any less than you now do, your head would simply implode from it having nothing more inside it than a total vacuum. Nothing you said here is even close to being true.

 

[The Horn]

Insulting me doesn't help your argument. I didn't insult you . All I did was to state facts . You ARE totally deluded , and you have set up a lot of straw men about ME . I'm not opposed to some people being rich . I'm opposed to an America where there is a tiny handful of superrich and powerful people and a vast majority of poor and helpless ones who have no defense against corporate greed and being harmed and exploited by greedy , ruthless individuals with an enormous amount of power ran money . This is exactly what America is becoming under Trump .



This is about the only thing you got right...



Except that's not my position.

My position is not "No interference ever!"

It's:
"The only time that the government should interfere is when a business or corporation commits a crime."



Periods typically go BEFORE the quotation marks, not afterwards. This instance is not one of the exceptions.

And what's up with your space key, is it malfunctioning or something? or are you intentionally hitting it multiple times when it's not needed?



:blabla:



:think:

This is about the only thing you got right...

Hmmm. I think you need to be more consistent in your arguments.



So it's greedy for a company to try to make money so that its employees can afford the cost of living, but it's not greedy for Mr. Bernie to rob from everyone to fund his silly socialist program that can't be implemented because there's not enough money in the country for it?

Tell me, Horn, do you think working hard to earn a living is a bad thing?



Could you point out how many companies and which ones have this "corporate greed" you speak of?



That's what we have now, and our economy is being stifled.

It's the reason our economy is suffering.

It's time to try something different.



Again, a straw man against my position.

The ONLY regulation a government should have on businesses is if a company commits a crime.



People die or are permanently disabled EVEN WITH government regulation. In fact, it's often BECAUSE OF the regulation that people are injured or killed.

Why not let businesses regulate themselves? Do you think that they are incapable of such actions?



Huh?

Oh, you said "people," not "businesses."

First of all, businesses are not people. They are made up of people, but they themselves are not people.

Second, the only "regulation" (and I use that term loosely here) governments should impose on individual persons (not just women) are LAWS such as "do not murder," "do not steal," "do not commit adultery," and "do not bear false witness."



If we make it illegal again and reinstate the stigma against it, it would reduce the number of women wanting to get an abortion, which means fewer women will GET abortions, even in those illegal, dark, back-alleyway clinics.

Your "solution" vomit has millions of women killing their children in the womb, legally.

My solution thumb has only a handful of women killing their children, and doing so in spite of the law.



Prima facie statements like this don't convince me.

Please show us how making something against the law makes people commit the crime more.



Cite please.



Of course, you completely ignore the poor children in the wombs of those mothers who have no say in the matter whatsoever being slaughtered because... why, again?



So if a terrorist is doing something in his bedroom, like, making bombs, for example, should the government have anything to say about that?

If a corporation or business or company wants to pay its employees a certain wage, should the government have anything to say about that?



So, in other words, restricting free enterprise while letting nut jobs roam the street?

How is that preferable again?

 

[The Horn]

Liberals like me are NOT opposed to hard work . We want people to be ABLE to work and earn a good living . But because of the Repugnicans (my spelling ) , it has become virtually impossible for millions of Americans either to find a good job or earn enough if they have one.
Unemployment is low under Trump ? This ignores the fact that millions of Americans are still forced to work two or three jobs just to stay alive .
The GOP has allowed wages to stagnate for decades while it allows the cost of living to rise steadily . This is a guarantee of social and economic ruin for a country .
All the Democrats are trying to do is to make sure that people can earn a decent or better living.
They want to make life AFFORDABLE . They want to make sure that people who are down on their luck are not allowed to fall between the cracks . This is not "socialism or communism". it's good government !
Almost everything is way too expensive today . Food, housing, health care, a university education etc . This is the fault of the Republicans, not the Democrats . But idiot conservatives continue to blame the victims .

 

[Ktoyou]

Liberals like me are NOT opposed to hard work . We want people to be ABLE to work and earn a good living . But because of the Repugnicans (my spelling ) ,.

yeh, because you are a goof.

 

[Gary K]

Liberals like me are NOT opposed to hard work . We want people to be ABLE to work and earn a good living . But because of the Repugnicans (my spelling ) , it has become virtually impossible for millions of Americans either to find a good job or earn enough if they have one.
Unemployment is low under Trump ? This ignores the fact that millions of Americans are still forced to work two or three jobs just to stay alive .
The GOP has allowed wages to stagnate for decades while it allows the cost of living to rise steadily . This is a guarantee of social and economic ruin for a country .
All the Democrats are trying to do is to make sure that people can earn a decent or better living.
They want to make life AFFORDABLE . They want to make sure that people who are down on their luck are not allowed to fall between the cracks . This is not "socialism or communism". it's good government !
Almost everything is way too expensive today . Food, housing, health care, a university education etc . This is the fault of the Republicans, not the Democrats . But idiot conservatives continue to blame the victims .

I am pretty much amazed at how much you can get wrong in one short post. It's like it's too stupid to be stupid.

In real life nobody gets everything wrong, but you are apparently capable of doing so. I wonder why that is....

 

[annabenedetti]

Judge Rightly, you are a typical deluded American conservative who thinks everything would be hunky dory if we just got the government out of everything and let businesses and corporations et al alone and allowed them to function without "government interference ".
WRONG ! Libertarian economic policies sound great in theory but are a disaster if allowed to take hold in a country . Why? Because you run into the road block of corporate greed , something we already have enough of in America .
In order for an economy to work, the government and the private sector must co-operate .
Too much government regulation may be bad, but no government regulation is far worse .
People DIE or are permanently disabled without government regulation .
And people like you DO want the government regulating people, especially women . You delude yourselves into thinking that we can "end " abortion by making it illegal again .
But this would only INCREASE the abortion rate . Fact : Every time a government has made abortion illegal after it had been legal, the abortion rate has skyrocketed , as well as the number of poor women dying .
Conservatives don't want government regulation of business, but they want government regulation of people and what they do in private . Liberals want government regulation of business, but do not want the government in people's bedrooms . The latter is preferable by far .

Well said.

 

[Right Divider]

Not a SINGLE person has even given the slightest clue as to where this EXTRA $30-40 TRILLION over 10 years is going to come from....

The money tree is NOT real people.... there is NOWHERE that this money can come from. Bernie is a liar and a thief.

 

[ok doser]

I am pretty much amazed at how much you can get wrong in one short post. It's like it's too stupid to be stupid.

In real life nobody gets everything wrong, but you are apparently capable of doing so. I wonder why that is....

I used to enjoy taking apart his nonsense point by point, but it never makes any difference

 

[ok doser]

Oh, ok, just one:

... Liberals ... do not want the government in people's bedrooms ...

So you're ok with a step-father molesting his step-daughter as long as he does it in their bedrooms?

 

[The Horn]

Oh, ok, just one:

So you're ok with a step-father molesting his step-daughter as long as he does it in their bedrooms?

NO !!! What CONSENTING ADULTS do in private must never be considered a crime . I'm not talking about incest or parents abusing children . Or anyone abusing children .

 

[JudgeRightly]

NO !!! What CONSENTING ADULTS do in private must never be considered a crime.

What if two consenting adults agree that one of them should kill the other in one of their bedrooms?

Not a crime?

I'm not talking about incest or parents abusing children . Or anyone abusing children .

Sounds like you're special pleading.

What if it's two adult siblings who both consent?

What about two consenting adults who are related in some way?

Should the government intervene then, because it's incest?

What if in those situations, they do it in their own private bedrooms?