Have you noticed how bubbles are quite impermanent?
Atheists, do you hope you're right?
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Have you noticed how bubbles are quite impermanent?
Hedshaker
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Lee Strobel, lol! You may not be aware of this but Christian apologetics books are written for Christians not Sceptics, since tossers like Lee Strobel make their money selling books to Christians.
But anyway, there was a huge thread on Internet Infidels about Lee Strobal years ago. Suffice to say the consensus among sceptics was, he's a phony.
Oh and, so much for Resurrection claims being unique to Christianity
:yawn: You've read his book? And your best answer to his questions? Queue jeopardy theme (right click, open).
Apologetics is like anything else, there are two sorts of people interested, those who are curious on the point and those who want to sharpen their approach in assisting others who are searching or to defend the faith against anti-theist attempts to demean it.
It's no condemnation of that faith that atheists aren't particularly interested. I wouldn't expect to find interest outside of a genuine agnostic.
Oh those darn empiricists and their obvious objective...well, no. I suppose not (not that it keeps them from supposing, apparently).
Of course they aren't, though Christianity is unique among them.
:noway: Car keys are a lesser matter.
lain: Regarding human suffering--is it possible that God has a purpose in it? Is it possible that he would like men to humble themselves before him and repent of their sin? Rom. 8:18; 1 Pet. 4:13
alwight
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Yes, a trivial matter was what I intended.:noway: Car keys are a lesser matter.
Strange then that tragedy can apparently afflict even the most pious and humble of us it seems? :liberals:
No doubt their reward will be in heaven, right?
You mean like those guys on city street corners with three shells and a pea and/or the ones selling Rolax watches?
You must be talking about the anti theists, because no Christian is going to take a pea on a public street corner.
lain:
You must be talking about the anti theists, because no Christian is going to take a pea on a public street corner.
Indeed! That would be quite a gamble....
You must be talking about the anti theists, because no Christian is going to take a pea on a public street corner.
Getting the sellers confused with the buyers?
If I knew of a certainty that there were justice in an afterlife, it would convince me even more that your god is merely your delusion.
I can see the appeal of this idea, that justice will come in the end to all, that the self-righteous will get the final and unavoidable last laugh. But the more I listen to the voices that clamor for this idea, the more certain I am that it is fantasy, and the more relieved I am that I don't have to worry about their prognostications. Perhaps there is a conception of a god who might be just who could pull of real final justice in the end, but if there is, no religion has yet imagined him.
...and yet, in quiet times and places, there is that "still small voice" which says "I am that I am becoming, in you". One is free to
choose.
God arranges circumstances around you and those circumstances causes you to make choose the only option given to you. That's your bubble.
My still small voice seems more fond of saying "What's for dinner?"
Oh come on. In the box with you and don't come out until you can put the ball in play.
Hedshaker
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Why would I want to waste my precious time on such obvious drivel? If you're a true believer already then you will be naturally drawn to whatever confirmation bias you spot. This is a human failing that we should all be aware of in the same way that we should be careful of how we count hits and quietly blind ourselves to misses, regardless of actual proportions. A point which apologists exploit to the full and one that Strobel in particular is very adept at. It's also why peer review is such an important aspect of the scientific method.
Try reading Strobel (and other apologists) with this in mind and see for yourself, or better yet have a look at what his adversaries have to say. I agree that Christian apologists are not alone using these tactics but boy do they stretch it to the limits
Not sure I see your point in that remark. A bit of childish banter maybe?
Hedshaker
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Sorry Town I have not the time or inclination to get too bogged down on this but I take your point and will be brief.
Your opinion noted :thumb:
To believers of course. To sceptics, not so much.
Sure (Mt 5:45). We live in a fallen word (Ge 1:31).
For those who humble themselves before him, yes (Jas 4:6).
Only answering on the points. No need to side bar on anything unless you have the time and inclination...mostly, with this sort of thing I try to respond with a genial enough "no, you're not going to get away with that" sort of nudge/invitation to discourse that can either stand as a general rebuttal or the beginning of a conversation.
Either way I've met my obligation in the moment, so I don't take offense if your interest is t-ball.
Well, you have to admit there's something funny about people who should be rationalists acting less than on a point. Truth about the inner workings of a man by show of hands?
I don't agree. I think you can or should be able to acknowledge any number of important differences in Christianity, with or without agreement on the foundational truth. The Christian resurrection is roughly met in other religions, but not entirely and the differences aren't without importance, contextually.
The same goes for how Christianity meets the nature of man and being. Anyway, don't let me keep you if your inclination is lighter.