are you a feminist?

[rexlunae]

I'm not a feminist but my dad likes likes to call them "fems" or "feminine Nazis." He's a republican and a Baptist so I take it he does not like feminists very much.

He sounds like a teenage boy.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Where did you get this from? We are republican and yet we are anti-abortion and pro-life, so who says that the republican party is pro-abortion?

Do you believe that you are the only person in the republican party? See the link i posted.

 

[Rusha]

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I'm not a feminist but my dad likes likes to call them "fems" or "feminine Nazis." He's a republican and a Baptist so I take it he does not like feminists very much.

Where did you get this from? We are republican and yet we are anti-abortion and pro-life, so who says that the republican party is pro-abortion?

Rather than call me a liar, look it up yourself. You can either start here
http://www.ontheissues.org/Abortion.htm#Headlines

Or ask your dad. Grown ups should always asks their parents prior to voicing their opinions.

 

[chrysostom]

Where did you get this from? We are republican and yet we are anti-abortion and pro-life, so who says that the republican party is pro-abortion?

there are those who are against abortion
but
would not deny others from getting one
so
they need a way to justify not voting for republicans

then there are those super holy ones who will not compromise an iota
and
they do not understand why the republicans did not end abortion when they had the chance

the truth is all the republicans can do is put conservative judges on the court who will not find laws against abortion unconstitutional

most here do not understand this
nor do they understand how easy it is for the democrats to block those judges

both of the above require dishonesty

 

[Rusha]

there are those who are against abortion
but
would not deny others from getting one
so
they need a way to justify not voting for republicans

then there are those super holy ones who will not compromise an iota
and
they do not understand why the republicans did not end abortion when they had the chance

the truth is all the republicans can do is put conservative judges on the court who will not find laws against abortion unconstitutional

most here do not understand this
nor do they understand how easy it is for the democrats to block those judges

both of the above require dishonesty

You had eight years ... abortion is still a fact. Your claims are not honest.

 

[kmoney]

Looks like some female celebrities shy away from the 'feminist' label. I thought it was an interesting article and she made some good points.

Lana Del Rey and the Fault in Our ‘Feminist’ Stars - Daily Beast, Amy Zimmerman

.....

Del Rey is one of the many female celebrities who have recently been questioned about their feminist associations, and whose answers have, more often than not, been found wanting. Shailene Woodley, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, and Lady Gaga are just a small sample of stars that have publically distanced themselves from the feminist label, inspiring a never-ending torrent of open letters, backlash, and, naturally, backlash to the backlash.

Most articles on “the feminist question” chastise female celebrities for their inability or unwillingness to do the absolute bare minimum: Google a working definition of feminism. When Taylor Swift responded to “Do you consider yourself a feminist?” with “I don’t really think about things as guys versus girls. I never have. I was raised by parents who brought me up to think if you work as hard as guys, you can go far in life,” she elicited an expected amount of Internet ire for her uninformed definition of feminism. Katy Perry also insisted that “I am not a feminist, but I do believe in the strength of women,” and Lady Gaga declared, “I’m not a feminist—I, I hail men, I love men. I celebrate American male culture, and beer, and bars and muscle cars…”

These celeb sound bites categorize feminism as a movement made up of angry man-haters. The fact that these buzz-worthy quotes were broadcast on such a wide-reaching platform (tabloids, E!, the entire Internet) fueled the anger. Instead of using their popularity to disseminate information and inspire change, these celebrities were proudly voicing their ignorance, and lending credence to pervasive and harmful stereotypes in the process. While Swift, Gaga, and Perry’s answers are inarguably problematic, they raise a larger question: Why are we asking these women to publically comment on feminism in the first place? And, in doing so, are we ultimately doing them, as well as the feminist movement, a disservice?

....

Katy Perry ultimately addressed feminist backlash by amending her previous assertion that she was not a feminist, finally admitting that she just might be, and that “I used to not really understand what that word meant, and now that I do, it just means that I love myself as a female and I also love men.” Is this ignorant and sanitized speech truly a windfall for feminism? If anything, watching celebrities go back and forth on their feminist associations, just as they shed costumes and experiment with new genres and sounds, might implicitly reinforce the idea that feminism is a fad or an accessory, thus minimizing and degrading the movement in an attempt to strengthen and reinforce it.

....

Meanwhile, expecting every young starlet to take up the feminist cause in an industry that explicitly profits off of the notion of the docile and “man-loving” woman is extremely unrealistic, and ultimately punishes the women who have been packaged as products, as opposed to the industry that facilitates their exploitation.

If Shailene Woodley can continue to put realistic female characters on the big screen, and Lana Del Rey can keep deepening, or at least complicating, conventional notions of female sexuality, then that is already a modest victory. Let’s leave the advocacy of real issues, and the articulation of the feminist cause, to the academics and activists, in the hopes of creating a world in which every celebrity can proudly identify as a feminist, without fearing a “man-hating” label or a drop in record sales.

 

[annabenedetti]

Looks like some female celebrities shy away from the 'feminist' label. I thought it was an interesting article and she made some good points.

Lana Del Rey and the Fault in Our ‘Feminist’ Stars - Daily Beast, Amy Zimmerman

From the article:

"Many people, myself included, believe that everyone ought to identify as a feminist. But that doesn’t mean we actively pressure every woman to disclose their opinions publicly, and then decry and deplore them for their ignorance or apathy."

It's interesting to see how pressure comes from both men and women to have us self-identify as feminists - or not.

That was part of my issue with this thread, that it was expected that we either identified ourselves or someone would do it for us - and still no one agrees on just what constitutes a feminist.

There's a lot more to it than just whether or not we're Republican or prolife or not.

 

[kmoney]

From the article:

It's interesting to see how pressure comes from both men and women to have us self-identify as feminists - or not.

Especially in that industry they are expected to have certain viewpoints, I guess. But I thought she made a good point that to espouse feminism in an industry that often exploits a certain image of women would be contradictory and potentially damaging.

That was part of my issue with this thread, that it was expected that we either identified ourselves or someone would do it for us - and still no one agrees on just what constitutes a feminist.

:idunno: I understood what chrys was doing.

 

[annabenedetti]

Especially in that industry they are expected to have certain viewpoints, I guess. But I thought she made a good point that to espouse feminism in an industry that often exploits a certain image of women would be contradictory and potentially damaging.

From both men and women. For being too feminist or not feminist enough.

:idunno: I understood what chrys was doing.

I know you did. This is just one of those times when I have to disagree with you.

 

[kmoney]

I know you did. This is just one of those times when I have to disagree with you.

:shocked:

You say that like you've disagreed with me before. :noid:

 

[chrysostom]

:idunno: I understood what chrys was doing.

did you understand what anna was doing?

 

[annabenedetti]

:shocked:

You say that like you've disagreed with me before. :noid:

Because I have.

 

[kmoney]

did you understand what anna was doing?

To some extent, yes.

 

[kmoney]

Because I have.

I thought you would have learned from those mistakes but I guess not.

 

[resurrected]

wimmins never learn

 

[annabenedetti]

I thought you would have learned from those mistakes but I guess not.

Hmm... how do I break this to you gently...

 

[annabenedetti]

That was part of my issue with this thread, that it was expected that we either identified ourselves or someone would do it for us - and still no one agrees on just what constitutes a feminist.

There's a lot more to it than just whether or not we're Republican or prolife or not.

So... what does "feminist" mean?

 

[Rusha]

So... what does "feminist" mean?

A woman who has the audacity to define herself ...

 

[PureX]

So... what does "feminist" mean?

I think a lot of men use that term to mean "anti-male": as in women who do not believe that men are superior in any way, and therefor should not be treated as such. And since these men do believe they are superior in some (and probably many) ways, they view "feminism" as being both wrong and offensive. Some woman also believe that this is what the term "feminism" means, and feel the same way about it.

I believe the term does refer to someone being "pro-woman", but that being pro-woman does not automatically equate to being anti-men.

I'm a "humanist", in that I am pro-human, whatever the gender or orientation.

 

[Rusha]

I think a lot of men use that term to mean "anti-male": as in women who do not believe that men are superior in any way, and therefor should not be treated as such. And since these men do believe they are superior in some (and probably many) ways, they view "feminism" as being both wrong and offensive. Some woman also believe that this is what the term "feminism" means, and feel the same way about it.

I believe the term does refer to someone being "pro-woman", but that being pro-woman does not automatically equate to being anti-men.

I'm a "humanist", in that I am pro-human, whatever the form or orientation.

Spot on!