The debate rages as to who the real "mob" is
I, for one, consider myself to be part of an elite group who are willing to let God do that which is His to do.
The debate rages as to who the real "mob" is
I, for one, consider myself to be part of an elite group who are willing to let God do that which is His to do.
Again, it doesn't mean grace is unmerited, only that it's not earned by works. I'm arguing against those claiming grace is unmerited.
We already merit it because we are his children. Grace is simply God's favor, like a father's favor for his child.
He showed his favor (grace) for the world when he sent His son to die on the cross, so I guess there is no "if."
It's obvious from all our discussions both public and private that I don't believe grace can be earned, just that it is merited by virtue of being God's child. Do you agree that children deserve their parent's favor? My answer is yes. Do you agree that God's children deserve their Father's favor? My answer is yes.
You are :thumb:
I, for one, consider myself to be part of an elite group who are willing to let God do that which is His to do.
I just want to look, touch and feel, no rape :chuckle:
No one here is judging in the manner the verse he quotes is describing. All we are doing is drawing the demarcation between right and wrong, regardless of in or out of the church.
You think too highly of yourself, then, because you won't even say stripping is immoral and deserving of consequences.
1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
Spare us all the shtick, you're completely full of yourself and don't bother hiding it. Remember what you leave behind you when you ride a high horse.
It seems to me you omitted important details that would have effected GD's opinion. You surely know what I'm saying, so I'll leave it at that.
I've said a lot to you in private regarding that relationship and my goals since 2012. As you can see from two years ago and here recently, it accomplished nothing more than a mass harassment that had me colored as quite the disgusting individual. If I was anywhere near the person the mob had me painted as, I would be locked up for life and on death row.
Of course, I left few details out. You saw what I went through in living color two years ago. Why would you want the same thing to happen again? I can't quite grasp how you are so chummy with the grand inquisitor from two years ago who also had you painted in an unsavory light.
Very dramatic indeed. The only thing that was shown were your own words. You painted yourself as that individual you are describing. You seem to forget that I ALWAYS use the quote feature. Anything I reply to ... are your words.
Oh please, quit with the drama and deceit already. There will always be certain topics in which I disagree with people, however, prior to your previous "poor little me" routine, Elo and I were civil towards one another. Currently, I appreciate his stance against abortion and the way he stood up for rape victims.
You are simply (and conveniently) leaving MANY details out. Such as the fact that prior to our disagreement, I was one of those people (as someone you added to your friend's list) who spent a lot of time listening to and empathizing with you (via all the PM's you sent me) as well as trying to convince you that things would get better.
I used the term *disagreement* because that is exactly what it should have been, however, you completely overreacted and flipped out. Harassing me via PM in all caps (which is yelling) doesn't work with me. I pushed back, just as several other people did (who you also harassed).
Anyone looking under your profile of Voltaire would realize that you had had several previous blowouts with others over discussions and topics I was not even a part of ...
Regardless, compared to your previous stance, you are being completely inconsistent. That tells me that your previous values were never the issue .... you just thrived on the conflict. Time to own your own responsibility in the past and your current grudge. Dolo. You were a willing participant in all the previous drama, due to your lack of control (of your temper) and your aggressive nature. The links are still in the Woodshed.
I've said a lot to you in private regarding that relationship and my goals since 2012. As you can see from two years ago and here recently, it accomplished nothing more than
a mass harassment
that had me colored as quite the disgusting individual.
If I was anywhere near the person the mob had me painted as, I would be locked up for life and on death row.
Of course, I left few details out. You saw what I went through in living color two years ago. Why would you want the same thing to happen again? I can't quite grasp how you are so chummy with the grand inquisitor from two years ago who also had you painted in an unsavory light.
I am not going to reveal additional details to my story. I don't believe I contradicted my self; just left alot out. People will deliberately not understand it now like they did two years ago.
Can you please drop this story? I am tired of defending myself and being the subject of a circus. As for my integrity, I am searching for truth and always will be. I'm sorry I deviated from what you thought I understood before, but I will always receive truth when I find it.
Of I agree. They believe that being a man makes them entitled to decide who they can have sex with regardless of consent.
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It's so easy to project. I think, in my mind, I projected values onto him based on my beliefs and his claims to agree with them. And based on my positive impressions I defended him.
I just couldn't harmonize an idea that he would seek a woman for beauty first, when Christian marriage is built on "seeking the kingdom first" and I truly believed that if his first priority was the same value system as mine (over beauty) he'd find a pretty woman along the way that actually fit the bill of being equally yoked with him intellectually and spiritually.
I also was not prepared to think that he'd show his girlfriend in a way he thought was defrauding men. He could've cropped the picture or declined to show a revealing one, if it was really not appropriate Christian attire.
After all, if that's where his beliefs are at, whatever do we get from seeing what he believes is an inordinate amount of skin?
I want him to have real friends here and be able to participate on TOL if he can because I among others here truly care about his well being. But he needs to be a real friend, himself. Right now he's forgetting that so many people who have listened to him were forgotten by him when they needed support and defending or patient understanding and listening.
If only it was just that simple. The truth is darker, more sinister. They know they are not entitled. But they get wickedly angry because in their self condemning state, led to believe that natural impulses are the sign of a festering evil, they become enraged at the women for possessing the power to tempt them and bring them down. They figure since they are already sinning in their heart, might as well take it out on the vulnerable female they believe is also in the wrong and deserving of punishment for tripping them up.
So they get their revenge on her, but the blame is in the wrong place.
Thanks a lot for twisting what i have told your husband in the past.
You cannot care at all about me taking counsel with the most evil person on TOL.
Look what she has already done to your reasoning. I have not differed one iota since me and your husband began talking about this. I haven't budged at all. Your husbands counsel was all wrong and you should chide him because I'm doing exactly what he suggested.
Wow. You have quite the imagination. Keep turning your ear to the witch, and you will be a full blown feminist yet.
Here is something for you and your husband to chew on and reflect.
From David Psalm 1:1
How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
If you continue to ignore David's word, your mind will be transformed into something totally unchristian.