Are all human beings divine?

genuineoriginal

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do you say the Our Father?
I occasionally pray the prayer the Lord Jesus the Messiah gave to us to help us keep our priorities straight.
You know the one that says "Thy will be done."

Has a priest told you to repeat the Our Father a number of times as a penance?
Where in the Bible does it say that the Lord's Prayer should be vainly repeated over and over as a penance?
 

chrysostom

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I occasionally pray the prayer the Lord Jesus the Messiah gave to us to help us keep our priorities straight.
You know the one that says "Thy will be done."

Has a priest told you to repeat the Our Father a number of times as a penance?
Where in the Bible does it say that the Lord's Prayer should be vainly repeated over and over as a penance?

how many times can you say it each day?
-how do you know you are a child of God?
 

genuineoriginal

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how many times can you say it each day?
How many times does it take for it to become vain repetition?
Do it one time less than that.

-how do you know you are a child of God?
That sounds like the Protestants asking if you have been born again and if you have been saved.

Right now I have the Spirit of adoption (Romans 8:15), which is also the same holy Spirit of promise (Ephesians 1:13) that says I will receive Salvation when the Lord Jesus returns.

Why do you assume that the adoption has happened in the past when the Bible states we are waiting for the adoption (Romans 8:23)?
 

Nihilo

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I occasionally pray the prayer the Lord Jesus the Messiah gave to us to help us keep our priorities straight.
You know the one that says "Thy will be done."
Yes, "On earth as it is in heaven."
Has a priest told you to repeat the Our Father a number of times as a penance?
Where in the Bible does it say that the Lord's Prayer should be vainly repeated over and over as a penance?
Where does the Church teach to pray vainly, ever?
 

SonOfCaleb

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Just have been considering this. Are we all children of God. How justified is this. Can science approve it? What does the bible say

No. Humans are mortal. Only the spirit sons of God are described as such in the Bible. These sons of God are divine each one being made directly by God.

Genesis 6:4 "..During that time the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men, and these bore sons to them. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame."
 

jamie

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Genesis 6:4 "..During that time the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men, and these bore sons to them. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame."

The sons of God being referred to are men. (Luke 3:38) Adam was a son of God and the last Adam is the Son of God.
 

SonOfCaleb

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The sons of God being referred to are men. (Luke 3:38) Adam was a son of God and the last Adam is the Son of God.

No they're not. And there's nothing scripturally that supports this position. In fact the verse i qouted certainly doesnt support the "Sons of God" being ordinary men or humans.

Genesis 6:4 "..During that time the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men, and these bore sons to them.They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame."

This verse refers to the Nephilim who were the hybrid offspring of angels who materialized into humans and had relations with the Adams offspring. Genesis 6:2 sets the context for this where it says "the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose." The opening part of verse 4 continues " The Nephʹi·lim were on the earth in those days and afterward".

These are definitive statements with a definitive context highlighting a marked difference between the offspring of Adam of which his lineage is listed in the previous chapter 5, but then Moses writes about this completely different offspring who were the "the mighty ones of old times. The Men of Fame" only a few verses later. If these Nephilim were the direct offspring of Adam there would have been no need to even mention these hybrid Giants (Nephilim) seperately when in the preceding chapter Moses wrote down Adams lineage. In addition its evident from the verse that these hybrid offspring were very unique. They were called mighty ones, and men of fame. These men were so famous that to this day giants feature heavily in almost all culutural myths and legends around the globe.
Why would Moses mention their marriage to the daughters of men as something special? Marriage and childbearing had been taking place for more than 1,500 years. Likewise how was Adams offspring capable of producing these giants or Nephilim if indeed the Sons of God were men. Thus the erroenous position of thinking the Sons of God were men is not only unsupported in the Bible it raises more questions than answers, as the Bible shows these Sons of God were Angels who fathered their Nephilim offspring.

Note Job 38:4-7 Jehovah God himself spoke directly to Job telling him:-

4 Where were you when I founded the earth?
Tell me, if you think you understand.
*5 Who set its measurements, in case you know,
Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
*6 Into what were its pedestals sunk,
Or who laid its cornerstone,
*7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?

This describes events long before the creation of Adam. And yet Jehovah in his OWN words calls his angelic creation the "Sons of God".

Again Moses writes in Job 1:6 "Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them."
This verse describes the predeceding events in Heaven before Job faced his trial at Satans hand. Again Moses uses the Hebrew idiom for Angels "Sons of God" to describe the Angels -including Satan- who took their station before Jehovah.
 

john w

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Genesis 3:5 KJV for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
 

Nihilo

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"On earth as it is in heaven."
. . .
Where does the Church teach to pray vainly, ever?
In the confessional.
It is in the repetition that you come to understand experientially what it is to be honest. Because when you recognize vain repetition, you're not being honest, so you become honest in order to not vainly repeat. In this way you learn honesty, and you trespass less.
. . .
"Give us this day our daily bread"
 

Nihilo

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Genesis 3:5 KJV for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
This is not on earth as it is in heaven: the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Heaven is apron-free. And it has nothing to do with wearing clothes, but with hiding trespasses. We all do it, and the Church's sacrament of penance or reconciliation or reconversion (confession) is the way in which Our Father distributes His favor to the Church regarding this apron issue.

My take anyway. :e4e:
 
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