nzira.patie
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Just have been considering this. Are we all children of God. How justified is this. Can science approve it? What does the bible say
Are all human beings divine?
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nzira.patie
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Need someone to help me with this debate question
Need someone to help me with this debate question
Are all human beings divine
Need someone to help me with this debate question
Are all human beings divine
theophilus
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No.
We are made "in the image" of God but sin has destroyed all the traces within us. We are cursed, fallen, born to trouble as sparks fly upward, our hearts are deceitful and desperately wicked, full of murderous and adulterous thoughts continually and we are sinners and rebels.
Some of us who have accepted the substitutionary death of Christ as our own are clothed with His righteousness and obedience and will someday appear just as He is.
In this life and flesh we are imperfect reflections of our most Holy Father but we will be changed, in the twinkling of an eye.
Guaranteed.
(this is the short version.)
We are made "in the image" of God but sin has destroyed all the traces within us. We are cursed, fallen, born to trouble as sparks fly upward, our hearts are deceitful and desperately wicked, full of murderous and adulterous thoughts continually and we are sinners and rebels.
Some of us who have accepted the substitutionary death of Christ as our own are clothed with His righteousness and obedience and will someday appear just as He is.
In this life and flesh we are imperfect reflections of our most Holy Father but we will be changed, in the twinkling of an eye.
Guaranteed.
(this is the short version.)
theophilus
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Read your Bible. Understand that it is NOT a science text-book.
Believe that Jesus Christ is Who He said He is. Accept, by faith, that He died in your place and you can have life, and more abundantly, in Him, by obedience.
God proved His Sonship and Authority by raising Him from the dead. He is the Lord of Glory.
Believe that Jesus Christ is Who He said He is. Accept, by faith, that He died in your place and you can have life, and more abundantly, in Him, by obedience.
God proved His Sonship and Authority by raising Him from the dead. He is the Lord of Glory.
As many as receive [Christ] to THEM gives He power to become the children of God
genuineoriginal
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:thumb: Good catch.
There are a lot of people that like to claim, "We are all God's children," but that is in direct contrast to the Bible which states we are given the "power to become the children of God."
so all we have to do is say the Our Father?
genuineoriginal
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No, all human beings are not God(s).
There are some religions that like to claim that there is a spark of the divine in each person, but that really is just the life given to us by God.
Life is not divinity (godhood), since plants, insects, and animals all have that same life in them.
genuineoriginal
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There is no mention in the Lord's Prayer about receiving Christ.
genuineoriginal
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If we already are the children of God, why would we need to wait for the adoption?
Romans 8:23 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. |
what paul says is not always clear
-but
-it is very clear what Jesus said about the Our Father
PureX
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Most people who believe in "God" believe that God is the source, sustenance and purpose of all that exists. Including ourselves. And in that sense, we are all "God's children".
As evidence for this belief, most people would site our capacity for love and compassion and forgiveness and generosity as examples of the divine spirit within us, as we reflect the spirit of the God which created and sustains us. But this is not 'science', it's theology. Science doesn't address questions about "God" because science can only address questions about the mechanics of the physical universe.
The Bible does address this question, often, even; but unfortunately, it only does so using vague and poetic/symbolic language. And anyway, the Bible was written be men, not God, and so can only contain man's ideas about humanity's relationship to God. And even then, only the ideas of a specific group of men. So that whatever answer we derive from it, will still be human opinion.
In the end, like all things God related, we have to decide for ourselves what we will believe about it, based on our hope and faith rather then on anyone else's special knowledge. Because no one else has any special knowledge.
Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Peter 1:2-4)
genuineoriginal
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Yes, He said not to pray like the Roman Catholics pray the Our Father and Hail Mary.
Matthew 6:7 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. |
Jesus taught us to pray the Our Father
genuineoriginal
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Jesus taught us not to pray with vain repetitions, but the Roman Catholics, with their rosaries, have turned the Lord's Prayer into vain repetitions and joined it with idolatry with the Hail Mary and the rosary.
Praying to God is supposed to be a blessing, not a penance.
do you say the Our Father?