You cannot produce overwhelming or even clear evidence that time is a created thing. There is nowhere that it is even implied in any text in the Bible that I have come across. If so, please provide that text so that we can learn from it together.
I have so provided it, yet all you are doing is saying it isn't so. As I have done, give me the same courtesy and make your case. You have used no scriptures with a rationale to support them in your reply to me. All you want to do is keep asking me more questions and denying what I have been writing in my response and the other referenced responses.
I asked you this question not to attempt to draw you into a straw man debate, but rather to get you to think about this position you hold and also to consider how strong the Biblical evidence actually is for it.
Then demonstrate the strong evidence you imply.
Calvinists STRONGLY insist time is created and that God therefore operates outside of time. (What is popularly taught in many seminaries and churches is the "Helicopter View" which basically states that God is above all of time and thus sees all time at once. I was taught this as a young believer and blindly accepted it for years......UNTIL I began to study the Word of God for myself and learn that God does NOT in fact present Himself that way in His Word.
Again, this strong insistence by Calvinists and all of classical theists is based upon years of historical exegesis. Where is yours?
In some ways I agree with you. But men have been getting things in science wrong for thousands of years. I will not rely solely on science to understand something God says or does. I approach things from the Scriptural and Biblical standpoint. What does the Bible have to say? How does God present Himself from His Word?
Then where does this leave us? Are we to just sit on both sides of the table and guffaw at one another? I maintain that any knowledge gained within the sphere of science is completely dependent of God's bestowal of light on the mind. There is no such thing as autonomous reason, i.e., reason that is unaided by divine revelation. Science and theology are in perfect agreement because all truth is God's truth. Science and theology both presuppose God's divine revelation. If a theory is false in science, then it must be false in theology as well (and vice versa). Wherever truth is found, the truth of God is being discovered. I believe along with the Reformed theologians that what I have expounded to you, with appropriate extensive citation, is biblical.
Do YOU believe that God has the freedom to change His mind about something?
Shall we stick to one topic at a time? I have answered this question extensively in this and other threads.
I do not deny that God created everything and that He did it in 6 literal days as the Bible says. I agree completely that the world had a beginning, but again, where does it say that God created TIME? Or even that TIME is a created thing?
Time is a created thing for it is a property of space and matter. To hold otherwise is to hold that space and matter pre-existed God's creation. At best, you must hold that God created time before He created space and matter. Either way, the atemporality of God stands. You and others that hold to what you believe are unwittingly creating stumbling blocks for the less mature Christian and fueling the fires of the non-believer's rhetoric that Christians are unwilling to enter into scientific discourse. As I stated above, I see great synergy with science and theology, for they both must spring from God's revealed truth.
I agree completely. This still does not speak anything towards the creation of time or that God is outside of time. That God is the I AM is showing us that He is self-existent and always has been. He was uncreated and has always been and will always be God. Open Viewers do not deny this.
Then we are in agreement. Self-existence is extant of temporality.
This is where the Settled View begins to break down and grow even more incoherent. Your whole premise in the above statement rests on "MUST BE", and it shows the unsure nature of your position!
You read it wrong. My "must be" means "it cannot be otherwise".
If you base your views on what the Bible says first and then everything else after, you don't need to do these mental guessing games. Having a Biblical worldview means everything written and taught by men must be in submission to the Scriptures.
Huh? Please review my post. I took the time to use the scriptures to respond. Please demonstrate where each of the scriptures I have used fail to support my position.
Well said. Time exists for all eternity, so is it such a large stretch to believe it always did exist?
The context was in heaven. Thus, I presume, and you know this, that God created time when He created the universe and His creatures. As my post stated, we are temporal and will exist in unending time in Heaven. That still does not make us equal to God's existence, for there is but one I AM.
I agree wholeheartedly that God is far greater and mightier and more significant than all of mankind and all of creation combined. I don't agree that He sees all time equally vividly. I definitely do not see this in the Scriptures either.
As above, please make your case. I have made mine and stand behind it.