No, Clete, you were not predesignated to be saved but once you believed you gave up your freedom to choose not to be saved even though you refuse to through off your carnality. What you are experiencing is your liberty in Christ. Your life decisions on earth are not predestined but your destiny is. That is your inheritance in Christ. Does your salvation now offend you?:dunce:
Yes, that is true of Clete but it is also true of you and the rest of us. That is why God did not leave the birth of His Son to the free choice of man.
Romans 8:28
I've been doing this a long time now, Lon and so have you. It's not like you're a seventeen year old kid who believes this nonsense because his parents do. You know the arguments, you've seen your position get crushed over and over again and yet you persist in your belief that God could somehow be in complete control of everything while I somehow simultaneously maintain responsibility for what God is in control of concerning the things I do, say and believe.
That's because you are nice and because you wouldn't be able to make the accusation stick anyway.
What I "honestly believe" is irrelevant to the truth. David Koresh probably honestly believed himself to be the Messiah. He was wrong despite his belief. You know how I know that? Scripture and plain reason. That's the only way anyone can KNOW anything in this dispensation.
A commendable attitude and one that I share. You notice that my post consisted of more than the three words "This is stupid". Did you miss the point I was making with what your last sentence should have been had it been consistent with the rest of your beliefs? It was a technique designed to rhetorically refute your premise.
This is meaningless!
I know it makes no sense to your carnal religious practice. You practice a sinful Christianity.
Why couldn't David Koresh have made the same argument against all those that demonstrated the ridiculousness of his theology?
So are you! You cannot avoid logic, Lon!
You did it! You just now did it! In the very sentence in which you claim it cannot be done, you did it! How can you not see it?
Then how do you know it is true? How are you even able to state it? If it is "entirely outside of our comprehension ability" where did you learn that it was in fact the case?
We do not think outside of it at all because it is not possible to do so without contradicting ourselves, just as you have done in this example of yours. Every sentence you wrote, including the one's about a god who supposedly exists outside of time, all had tense even going so far as to say that "God decides ahead of time"! You didn't even notice that you had done that, did you? If you begin to look, you'll notice that everyone who speaks about anything being outside of time commits the exact same error. It cannot be avoided. This is how we KNOW it is false! It is irrational! Not to mention the fact that the Bible never mentions the idea that God is outside of time.
THEREFORE?
Not understanding everything is not at all the same as blindly accepting the self-contradictory, Lon! If they were the same thing then nothing could be falsified at all! You might as well believe that God is really a little white mouse that breathes sunlight and farts balls of fire. Any random nonsense you want to postulate is equally as valid as any other bit of nonsense you want to entertain. Maybe David Koresh really was the Messiah and you just can't understand the "how" of it all.
Both the Bible and sound reason directly contradict this truth claim.
Why couldn't David Koresh have made this EXACT SAME argument in defense of his being the Messiah and raping 14 year old girls? That is not a rhetorical question, Lon. Apply your own line of thinking from David K's perspective and tell me on what basis would you dismiss him as a lunatic. What if David K. really did make the exact same argument that you just made here? How would you tell him that he's wrong? Haven't you just given away the whole store here? What if Jet Li wanted to tell you that Buddha and Jesus are the same guy but you can't understand how because you're thinking too linearly? How would you refute that? How would you refute any truth claim? There are talking unicorns on the Moon! You don't believe it because you think too linearly! Elephant poo is 27% gold! You don't believe it because you think too linearly! Pick a truth claim, Lon or make one up yourself and tell me how you would defeat the argument, "You don't understand it because you think too linearly (or logically)!"
First off, Koresh was in no way part of the majority view, nor is OV.
Premise 3, all of Christianity for about 2000 years just wasn't smart enough.
This part should have come first
Then this, because it is the real question isn't it? "How?"
Romans 9:11-14;17
Of course I did. It is the same in Revelation 4 where John says "after these things" which haven't even happened yet. It isn't a logical contradiction but an expression we are not able to vocalize meaningfully because we don't live there. God walks through time. Your arguement against it has you denying chrysostom's verse from the RC from Daniel, but it totally neglects the fact that people have always believed God transcends time way before Greek influence. We've given you scripture after scripture and instances, yet you continue to deny that it is anything but delusion because your mind is thinking in language constraints instead of infinite vs finite logic parameters. 2+2 is logic but there are those who cannot comprehend or work through algebra or calculus and when you tell them a+b=3 they don't grasp the logic because they are incapable. It doesn't make sense to them.
I'm telling you, that you cannot prove that God is constrained by time.
SO WHAT?!
How would that be responsive to my arguments?
You didn't even read my post, did you, Lon? The syllogism was YOUR ARGUMENT, not mine you stupid, slobbering idiot!
Since you've brought up this totally off the subject point, why aren't you a Catholic? This is THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT that the Catholics made against Luther!
There is no such thing! You made that up out of thin air!
Why couldn't Hitler have made the same argument in a defense of his murdering millions of people? Why couldn't Al Gore make the same argument in defense of the man made global warming hoax? Pick any truth claim at random, any one at all, and tell me why some lunatic could use your "super-logic" to explain why no-one else understands it him?
Okay, that's it! I'm done with your stupidity.
Sheesh. I know you take great pride in being a Truthsmacker and grinding people's positions to powder, but this is getting ridiculous.
Why don't you put logic and philosophy on the back burner for a while and
dive into the gospel and rightly dividing...might do you some good. I read most of your posts, you're becoming a one trick pony.