Philetus
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Having your sins forgiven is not salvation!
Salvation is the receiving of life from the dead!
Salvation is the receiving of life from the LIVING Christ!
Your reality is wacko, your 'reason' follows suit.
Having your sins forgiven is not salvation!
Salvation is the receiving of life from the dead!
Your faith shapes your reality. Your reason is adjusted to fit your reality. That is why it is an impossibility not to believe in something. There is no such thing as an atheist.
How would you know. Your still dead.Salvation is the receiving of life from the LIVING Christ!
Your reality is wacko, your 'reason' follows suit.
No I don;t think they are mutually exclusive. We make decisions basted on the knowledge we bring to the table. I do not trust anyone who bases there belief on human reasoning alone.Do you suppose that faith and reason aren't mutually exclusive, but that engaging in a rational discussion of one's systematic theology and the examining of what one believes may be a valid course of action?
The problem is that you're claiming that because you believe something in spite of the rational arguments against it, and somehow you're claiming superiority because of it.
Muz
How would you know. Your still dead.
When God wanted to make a comment about Himself in contrast to us, it said: Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
God said that through Paul.
Obviously, God was not foolish.
God's foolishness is wiser than the smartest man's wisdom on the Earth.
Bob
No I don;t think they are mutually exclusive. We make decisions basted on the knowledge we bring to the table. I do not trust anyone who bases there belief on human reasoning alone.
Your faith shapes your reality. Your reason is adjusted to fit your reality. That is why it is an impossibility not to believe in something. There is no such thing as an atheist.
So does anyone think Aquinas' metalinguistic theory of analogical language regarding God apply to Calmanianism debate?
Isaiah 46
1 Bel bows down, Nebo stoops low; their idols are borne by beasts of burden. The images that are carried about are burdensome, a burden for the weary. 2 They stoop and bow down together; unable to rescue the burden, they themselves go off into captivity. 3 "Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all you who remain of the house of Israel, you whom I have upheld since you were conceived, and have carried since your birth. 4 Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you.
5 "To whom will you compare me or count me equal? To whom will you liken me that we may be compared? 6 Some pour out gold from their bags and weigh out silver on the scales; they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god, and they bow down and worship it. 7 They lift it to their shoulders and carry it; they set it up in its place, and there it stands. From that spot it cannot move. Though one cries out to it, it does not answer; it cannot save him from his troubles. 8 "Remember this, fix it in mind, take it to heart, you rebels. 9 Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. 10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. 11 From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do. 12 Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted, you who are far from righteousness. 13 I am bringing my righteousness near, it is not far away; and my salvation will not be delayed. I will grant salvation to Zion, my splendor to Israel.
So does anyone think Aquinas' metalinguistic theory of analogical language regarding God apply to Calmanianism debate?
I do, I do.
Calmanianism?
Anyone want to talk about Open Theism?
I’m glad the question didn’t get lost.
Open Theism is a response against ‘tenuous’ theologies. It certainly doesn’t answer all the questions. Yet. But, its open. It is a young discipline as theologies go, and the others go way back but post date the scripture and experience of the first century church and are the product of Christendom and Greek Philosophy. Still, the OV resolves on a very basic level concerns about the dynamic, relational and personal expressions found in scripture about God. )
The only hope we have is not that God has settled every future detail (or even already knows the outcome of every contingency) but rather that even in giving others a significant say so in their own existence, God remains faithful and will fulfill every promise made in Christ. The future God has planed for those who embrace the truth about God revealed in the Gospel and the future that Christ is even now preparing (“I go to prepare …”) and the future the Spirit of Christ Jesus is preparing us for, is not yet. Our guarantee that it will be is God’s own faithfulness. It is in Him we place our trust, not in a settled future, not even in His ‘immutability’; no, we trust HIM! not because he knows or controls the future in meticulous detail, but because NOTHING can separate us from His love in Christ.
It is more than mere academics; knowing him in the power of his resurrection that happened in time and place informs the future, and from our perspective at least doesn’t settle it. Why else pray, serve and grow into his likeness?
Moreover, the dialog is important because it shapes the church’s witness and the message we send to the world. The tenuous nature of the message of a settled view communicates that the decisions people make have no real bearing on the future, regardless how many ‘alter calls’ or ‘altar calls’ are issued.
Either the future is settled or it is open to a greater or lesser extent. The discussion among the thinking is the degree to which it is open. The future is settled as far as God has determined it. It is open to the degree that God has given his creatures a significant say in their own futures and will not compromise their freedom to choose. The future is as bright as the promises of God in Christ. God knows how he plans to bless us in the future. What he doesn't know is exactly who will and who will not embrace that future.
Also in Him,
(Just not resting as much as Clete. :grave: )
You are quite right. What God has given man sovernty over he also gave the ability to make decisions concerning such, I also believe that God is no fool and reserved to Himself jurisdiction. There are boundaries for man and man is limited.I'm really glad that we have a certain amount of free will, otherwise, if everything was already planned by God, we would just be little robots.
Bob