patman
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lee_merrill said:Hi everyone,
Yes, I agree.
But just because God did not tell him to repent when he addressed Job and his other friends, that does not mean he had nothing to repent of. Note that God did not tell Job’s wife “Repent!’, though she had said “Curse God and die…”
Then did God not bring the cross on Jesus?
John 18:11 “Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?"
And there are many examples of this, Job among them, you have not yet explained to me what “the trouble the Lord had brought on him” means. Similarly, we see this in Ezekiel:
Ezekiel 21:3-6 This is what the Lord says: “I am against you. I will draw my sword from its scabbard and cut off from you both the righteous and the wicked. Because I am going to cut off the righteous and the wicked, my sword will be unsheathed against everyone from south to north. Then all people will know that I the Lord have drawn my sword from its scabbard; it will not return again.” Therefore groan, son of man! Groan before them with broken heart and bitter grief.
And similarly here:
2 Samuel 7:14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men.
Amos 3:6 When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble? When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it?
Isaiah 10:16-17 Does the ax raise itself above him who swings it, or the saw boast against him who uses it? As if a rod were to wield him who lifts it up, or a club brandish him who is not wood! Isaiah Therefore, the Lord, the Lord Almighty, will send a wasting disease upon his sturdy warriors...
Actually, there was a mediator, and even a messiah who would come:
Job 19:25 I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand upon the earth.
Well, no, Job made the mistake of claiming he was even more righteous than God, and for this he had to repent.
And I believe believers can really choose, within God’s will, but not unbelievers. And conversion is not a marriage, it is a birth, and babies do not choose their birth.
Isn’t the Lord’s statement like a prediction, though? “For in the day you eat of it, you will surely die,” it’s almost like the Lord knew they were doing to do that.
Blessings,
Lee
Lee, do you understand the meaning of the word "innocent?"